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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    So you would go around the courts because they might not side with you ?

    Thats illegal....clearly illegal.
    What law does it violate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    What law does it violate?
    Thats to complex of a question for him Philly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    The wire taps for international calls dickswab.



    Download adobe. 42 pages from the DOJ explaining the legalities.
    OK.

    But what about warrantless domestic wiretapping

    And ...the quote you provided doesn't say WHY Bush needed to go around FISA and not get warrants.

    It simply says Bush ordered the NSA to intercept international calls.

    What is the new tool you mentioned ? ...a wiretapp certainly isn't new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    What law does it violate?
    Wait.

    You are asking why it is illegal to ignore the court of law ? ...OMG.

    That takes the cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    OK.

    But what about warrantless domestic wiretapping

    And ...the quote you provided doesn't say WHY Bush needed to go around FISA and not get warrants.

    It simply says Bush ordered the NSA to intercept international calls.

    What is the new tool you mentioned ? ...a wiretapp certainly isn't new.
    You asked what tools President Bush needed that FISA didn't give him. I gave you the answer.

    The excerpt I posted was the prologue of the 42 page non-classified document that the Department of Justice published to explain the legalities of his use of the wire taps.

    So go download adobe, and read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Wait.

    You are asking why it is illegal to ignore the court of law ? ...OMG.

    That takes the cake.
    Re-read my question. More slowly this time. I tried to use as few syllables in the words as possible, given the discussion. But if need be, I can speak more slowly and dumb it down a bit more for you. However, since I only used one multi-syllabic word the first time, give me a bit more time to try to rephrase. Is English your first and only language? If not, maybe we can get a translator here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    Re-read my question. More slowly this time. I tried to use as few syllables in the words as possible, given the discussion. But if need be, I can speak more slowly and dumb it down a bit more for you. However, since I only used one multi-syllabic word the first time, give me a bit more time to try to rephrase. Is English your first and only language? If not, maybe we can get a translator here.
    What law ? ...I can't believe I am about to explain this....unreal.

    It depends on what court order you are avoiding.

    If you ignore the court when they tell you not to drive ...you will get in more trouble, it's called violating a court order

    The court is the law, and violating their orders is agaisnt the law...thats why you get in trouble when you ignore the courts orders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    You asked what tools President Bush needed that FISA didn't give him. I gave you the answer.

    The excerpt I posted was the prologue of the 42 page non-classified document that the Department of Justice published to explain the legalities of his use of the wire taps.

    So go download adobe, and read it.
    The part you posted simply said Bush ordered the NSA to intecept international calls.

    What the fuck is the new tool ? ...wiretaping ? ...thats not new. I would have no problem with Bush wiretaping through the FISA court.

    My question is why did Bush need to go around FISA ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    The part you posted simply said Bush ordered the NSA to intecept international calls.

    What the fuck is the new tool ? ...wiretaping ? ...thats not new. I would have no problem with Bush wiretaping through the FISA court.

    My question is why did Bush need to go around FISA ?
    DOWNLOAD ADOBE AND READ THE FUCKING THING YOURSELF!!

    I provided everything you need. The only thing stopping yourself from learning the truth, is yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    What law ? ...I can't believe I am about to explain this....unreal.


    It depends on what court order you are avoiding.

    If you ignore the court when they tell you not to drive ...you will get in more trouble, it's called violating a court order

    The court is the law, and violating their orders is agaisnt the law...thats why you get in trouble when you ignore the courts orders.
    Ahh, introduction of a new term...court "order". Now we're onto a different issue, which is contempt. Very tricky of you. But that was not your initial assertion.

    You initially indicated that "going around the courts" was "clearly illegal".

    I asked you what law such action was violating.

    Now you say that violating a court order is against the law.

    At least we have a starting point that we can agree. Violating a court order is against the law.

    But how about we get back to your initial assertion, which I questioned you about...that being that taking action to avoid going to the courts is clearly illegal.

    Please tell me what law it violates, since there is no court order in effect that is being violated. In fact, as you conceded earlier, there was a failure to utilize the court, hence, no order.

    So, would you like to try again?
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