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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    so we should teach our kids to only put in half efforts?
    Nope. We teach our kids that once you've won, there is not a reason to shove it in the other side's face.

    edit: sometimes there's a reason, but this game there wasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    Nope. We teach our kids that once you've won, there is not a reason to shove it in the other side's face.

    edit: sometimes there's a reason, but this game there wasn't.
    um . . . you realize that that is socialism right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    The score should not have been run up like that. Once it's a 50 + point lead at half-time, put in all your scrubs. Let the other side score a basket or so. You don't need to forfeit, but it doesn't have to be humiliating either. There's such a thing as graciousness in winning that should have been remembered during the game. I am glad that they remembered it afterwards, at least.
    Actually this is fairly simple. One team did their job (scored points and stopped the other team from scoring points) and the other team failed at their job miserably. The fact that one team hammered the point home is no reason to apologize. I don't every recall Bill Gates apologizing for being as successful as he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    um . . . you realize that that is socialism right?
    Socialism? Ummm, no. It's called grace in winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaGator View Post
    I don't every recall Bill Gates apologizing for being as successful as he is.
    True. But he doesn't go down to homeless shelters and light cigars with hundred dollar bills either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaGator View Post
    Actually this is fairly simple. One team did their job (scored points and stopped the other team from scoring points) and the other team failed at their job miserably. The fact that one team hammered the point home is no reason to apologize. I don't every recall Bill Gates apologizing for being as successful as he is.
    I don't think winning is cause for apologies. There is a lot more to learn in high school sports than what the scoreboard says.

    Don't get me wrong, I am completely opposed to the "everybody gets a trophy" attitude that has crept into society. However, the Chinese have a long tradition of the value of "saving face". It is a great life lesson for kids to learn that part of being successful is knowing when to let the other side "save face". That doesn't mean that you roll over. That doesn't mean that you stop trying to succeed. It does mean that when you do succeed, you are as gracious in your winning as you should be in your losing. It's harder, sometimes, to accept graciousness in success than it is in defeat.

    I deal with this issue constantly in negotiations. Too many people think that negotiating means you get every nickel on the table. Instead, it's knowing when which nickels are most important to get, and letting the other side have a few, so that the most valuable ones you still get.

    I never played a sport that there wasn't a point when the coaches knew the game had been decided, and it's time now to put the scrubs in and refrain from absolute humiliation for the other team.

    Again, while I don't think the team needs to apologize for winning, I do think they ought to look at themselves and determine if they acted like true winners, or if they acted like asses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    Socialism? Ummm, no. It's called grace in winning.
    Nope. Grace in winning is playing your best - and winning without gloating. It is not holding yourself back so as to let the other team get part of what is yours by right of skill and effort - which is socialism. :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Nope. Grace in winning is playing your best - and winning without gloating. It is not holding yourself back so as to let the other team get part of what is yours by right of skill and effort - which is socialism. :p
    Running the score up to 100 is gloating. :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    Running the score up to 100 is gloating. :p
    No their attitude during that might have been gloating - but the score itself was now.
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    Running the score up to 100 is gloating. :p
    Maybe, but not winning a game in 4 years shows a level of blind ignorance on somebody's part. Either the coach is simply evil or the school administration believes that throwing their students to the wolves repeatedly offers some kind of "lesson".

    Either way, an adult is using these kids to score points (not game points) in a twisted kind of way. Now that's really unsporting.

    Maybe these kids would be killer ping-pong players or Texas Hold 'Em champs or rope jumpers. In real life, people build on their strengths. Everybody has something that they are good at and basketball clearly isn't the answer here.
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