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    This should really fire up our friends at the reality based community.

    Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is announcing plans to expand President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and — in a move sure to cause controversy — support some ability to hire and fire based on faith.


    Obama was unveiling his approach to getting religious charities more involved in government anti-poverty programs during a tour and remarks Tuesday in Zanesville, Ohio, at Eastside Community Ministry, which provides food, clothes, youth ministry and other services.

    "The challenges we face today ... are simply too big for government to solve alone," Obama was to say, according to a prepared text of his remarks obtained by The Associated Press. "We need all hands on deck."

    Obama's announcement is part of a series of events leading up to Friday's Fourth of July holiday that are focused on American values.

    The Democratic presidential candidate spent Monday talking about his vision of patriotism in the battleground state of Missouri. By twinning that with Tuesday's talk about faith in another battleground state, he was attempting to settle debate in two key areas where his beliefs have come under question while also trying to make inroads with constituencies traditionally loyal to Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaGator View Post
    This should really fire up our friends at the reality based community.



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    FarceOfNature (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 10:26 PM
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    2. Not a fan of having a Office of Faith Based whatever at ALL
    Why can't they just call it the Office of Community of Initiatives and perhaps just allow churches to participate in the programs as opposed to f@#%ing creating the whole office around religion? Ughh.



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    ixion (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 10:49 PM
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    13. Exactly: Separation of Church and State
    get rid of "faith-based" BS
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    derby378 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 10:26 PM
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    3. WHY do we still have an Office of Faith-Based Programs?
    Look, I know Obama is reaching out to evangelicals, but separation of church and state is more than just some sweet old-fashioned whimsy watchadoodle
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    In actual dollars, President Obama’s $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion (held by President George W. Bush) in deficit spending for an entire presidency. It’s no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years.

    Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
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    wait wait wait - I thought these faith based programs were teh ebil!???
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    derby378 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 10:26 PM
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    3. WHY do we still have an Office of Faith-Based Programs?
    Look, I know Obama is reaching out to evangelicals, but separation of church and state is more than just some sweet old-fashioned whimsy watchadoodle.
    Why? Because, like it or not, faith based charities have a proven track record of doing a better job of distributing needed and assistance than any government program.

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