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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaGator View Post
    I guess you never heard of a typo either That doesn't really surprise me.
    Certainly I have. However, I've also heard of proofreading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    For a second there, I thought you wrote "seedy hole" which is amazingly apt. :D
    You scared me. I thought one of my near famous typos slipped through again :eek:

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    Guess what, not all Republicans are god fearing christians. Some of us don't believe in god and we're not superstitious either.
    And not all Christians counter pro-choice with the argument that God said so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fergus View Post
    You could say the same for the fetus that became Adolf Hitler or Mao Zedong or Ted Kennedy. Whats your point? That if a woman makes a decision to abort then another Nobel Prize winning genius goes down the drain and there goes humanity?

    Guess what, not all Republicans are god fearing christians. Some of us don't believe in god and we're not superstitious either.

    Unless we step on a crack 'cause we don't want to break our mother's back.


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    Ok, here's a good question for you. Can you tell me which item on your list has cost the US over 40 million human lives?
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    Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsSmith View Post
    Ok, here's a good question for you. Can you tell me which item on your list has cost the US over 40 million human lives?
    Okay, Mrs. Smith, I'll participate in your discussion.

    I'm guessing the correct answer, the answer you are looking for is, "Abortion".

    Now, with that said I'll have to disagree with you.

    I don't agree with you that a fetus is a human being. I don't believe that an aborted fetus is another human life and is lost forever. I don't think that abortion is murder. I think that a fetus is just that, a clump of cells without the ability to formulate the concept of self and thought.

    I simply feel that abortion is a choice.

    I feel that the right of a woman that is pregnant to make a decision to abort or to not abort is her decision, not yours and not mine. I believe that she should be able to make that decision and to act on it without harassment from the public.

    My opinion is not based on any sort of religious belief as I do not believe in god or a higher being. I believe that when you die that things go dark and thats it. The end...nada, nothing.

    Okay, now I was pretty harsh there. I said some things that are absolute and don't give you much room to argue/discuss with me. Let me add some stuff that we can discuss. I know there are inconsistencies in my argument, feel free to flame me.

    I do think there should be a limit on the age of the fetus that is eligible for abortion. For example, I think third trimester abortions should be outside the limit. I am a little bit squeemish about aborting a fetus at that age. Yes, I know, I'm being inconsistent but heck, it's my post.

    I don't think government should provide abortions for woman free of charge. If the woman can't afford it then she and the father will need to pay for it over time. I have no problem if third party groups, (Planned Parenthood for example) pay for it.

    There, that should be enough to start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fergus View Post
    Okay, Mrs. Smith, I'll participate in your discussion.

    I'm guessing the correct answer, the answer you are looking for is, "Abortion".

    Now, with that said I'll have to disagree with you.

    I don't agree with you that a fetus is a human being. I don't believe that an aborted fetus is another human life and is lost forever. I don't think that abortion is murder. I think that a fetus is just that, a clump of cells without the ability to formulate the concept of self and thought.

    I simply feel that abortion is a choice.

    I feel that the right of a woman that is pregnant to make a decision to abort or to not abort is her decision, not yours and not mine. I believe that she should be able to make that decision and to act on it without harassment from the public.

    My opinion is not based on any sort of religious belief as I do not believe in god or a higher being. I believe that when you die that things go dark and thats it. The end...nada, nothing.

    Okay, now I was pretty harsh there. I said some things that are absolute and don't give you much room to argue/discuss with me. Let me add some stuff that we can discuss. I know there are inconsistencies in my argument, feel free to flame me.

    I do think there should be a limit on the age of the fetus that is eligible for abortion. For example, I think third trimester abortions should be outside the limit. I am a little bit squeemish about aborting a fetus at that age. Yes, I know, I'm being inconsistent but heck, it's my post.

    I don't think government should provide abortions for woman free of charge. If the woman can't afford it then she and the father will need to pay for it over time. I have no problem if third party groups, (Planned Parenthood for example) pay for it.

    There, that should be enough to start with.

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    Who said abortion wasn't a choice? But like most choices some are right and some are wrong. Seeing, however, that you don't recognize a higher authority for which moral decisions must be answered for I must conclude that your moral values are ultimately meaningless because they have no authority behind them other than yourself. I suppose you're happy with a pliable view of right and wrong but to me it seems to lack something. I am much more confortable knowing that what was right and wrong when I go to bed hasn't changed when I get up. It is the changing morality of society that now finds abortion to be an amoral choice. But a higher authority can't exist for you since there is nothing after death in your opinion and the killing of the unborn has no moral complications for you. I guess it makes thing easier to view the world that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fergus View Post
    Okay, Mrs. Smith, I'll participate in your discussion.

    I'm guessing the correct answer, the answer you are looking for is, "Abortion".

    Now, with that said I'll have to disagree with you.

    I don't agree with you that a fetus is a human being. I don't believe that an aborted fetus is another human life and is lost forever. I don't think that abortion is murder. I think that a fetus is just that, a clump of cells without the ability to formulate the concept of self and thought.

    I simply feel that abortion is a choice.

    I feel that the right of a woman that is pregnant to make a decision to abort or to not abort is her decision, not yours and not mine. I believe that she should be able to make that decision and to act on it without harassment from the public.

    My opinion is not based on any sort of religious belief as I do not believe in god or a higher being. I believe that when you die that things go dark and thats it. The end...nada, nothing.

    Okay, now I was pretty harsh there. I said some things that are absolute and don't give you much room to argue/discuss with me. Let me add some stuff that we can discuss. I know there are inconsistencies in my argument, feel free to flame me.

    I do think there should be a limit on the age of the fetus that is eligible for abortion. For example, I think third trimester abortions should be outside the limit. I am a little bit squeemish about aborting a fetus at that age. Yes, I know, I'm being inconsistent but heck, it's my post.

    I don't think government should provide abortions for woman free of charge. If the woman can't afford it then she and the father will need to pay for it over time. I have no problem if third party groups, (Planned Parenthood for example) pay for it.

    There, that should be enough to start with.

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    You say, "I do not believe in god or a higher being. I believe that when you die that things go dark and thats it. The end...nada, nothing." Just gone, done, nothing left. In other words, every human, every living thing, has only one shot at life. Once it's done, that's it. Even if you were correct in your opinion that the developing offspring is only a clump of cells, that "clump" is obviously alive and growing, and looking more and more live a "real" human every minute. Yet you are perfectly fine with the idea that a mother can make that choice for her offspring...to send that life into darkness, to wipe out that one and only chance that particular life has to actually live. If we do each have only one chance, and if we did just end up as nothing, how horrible to have that one and only chance destroyed by the one person on earth who is supposed to love us more than any other...

    and how sick, that our government is more concerned with reducing "acid rain" and fixing non-existant global warming than in stopping the bloody slaughter of millions of lives.
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    Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fergus View Post
    Okay, Mrs. Smith, I'll participate in your discussion.

    I'm guessing the correct answer, the answer you are looking for is, "Abortion".

    Now, with that said I'll have to disagree with you.

    I don't agree with you that a fetus is a human being. I don't believe that an aborted fetus is another human life and is lost forever. I don't think that abortion is murder. I think that a fetus is just that, a clump of cells without the ability to formulate the concept of self and thought.

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    That is very scientific of you.


    A "fetus" fits ANY scientific definition of life. Also going on SCIENCE, a "fetus'" has a COMPLETE set of UNIQUE, HUMAN, DNA.

    That makes it, by SCIENTIFIC methods of derivation, a LIVE HUMAN BEING.

    Saying otherwise is just denying science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    That is very scientific of you.


    A "fetus" fits ANY scientific definition of life. Also going on SCIENCE, a "fetus'" has a COMPLETE set of UNIQUE, HUMAN, DNA.

    That makes it, by SCIENTIFIC methods of derivation, a LIVE HUMAN BEING.

    Saying otherwise is just denying science.
    Annnnnnd here we go again. How many times do I have to point out that DNA is irrelevant, even by your own standards... as is easily revealed since you, nor any reasonable person, would say a solo skin cell should have rights. Every pro-lifer here makes distinctions between something that simply has human DNA, and something that is a human being with rights. Simply extend that reasoning to an embryo or a fetus and you should be able to understand pro-choice philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    That is very scientific of you.


    A "fetus" fits ANY scientific definition of life. Also going on SCIENCE, a "fetus'" has a COMPLETE set of UNIQUE, HUMAN, DNA.

    That makes it, by SCIENTIFIC methods of derivation, a LIVE HUMAN BEING.

    Saying otherwise is just denying science.
    Okay, so aborting a fetus which is a LIVE HUMAN BEING is murder right? Using your strict SCIENTIFIC methods of derivation, (whatever that is), how else could it not be? So what is your solution or rather what is your alternative to abortion? Not getting pregnant in the first place is a good idea, what are your ideas?

    I'll ratchet myself down a few notches, I have no problem with woman that choose to keep their baby but conversely I also have no problem with women that decide to abort. It's their personal decision and I don't believe that you or I have any right to stick our nose into their personal decision. You won't hear me tell you that you cant have a child of our own.

    Some people use religious reasons for being against abortion, some use personal reasons. Ironically, some people think it's okay to kill other human beings because they're so against the concept of abortion.
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