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  1. #1 Smokers To Pay Up For Kids. Again. 
    Taxing Cigarette Smokers Butts Off. Stimulus Bill Burdens Poor and Middle Class
    February 02, 2009 by Bobby Tall Horse

    Paying for the S-CHIP will be up to smokers. Yes, a pack of cigarettes will be federally taxed $1.00. Small cigars $12.50 per 1,000 this year and $50 per 1,000 in 2015. Large cigars will be taxed .50 (8x the current tax). Roll your own is $24.00 more per 1 pound of tobacco. ROLL YOUR OWN!! The tubes for roll your own cigarettes will also be taxed substantially.

    I am a roll your own smoker. I roll for my husband and for me. Why do we CHOOSE to roll our own?

    Reason 1 was because factory cigarettes were too costly.

    Reason 2 was because factory cigarettes are just vile and dripping with chemicals. The roll your own smokers notice the difference and to be honest, there is no way we can stand to smoke a factory cigarette now.

    Reason 3 is because we were upset that the cigarette companies could provide a decent cigarette without the chemicals and won't. THEY chose to make a crappy product. Not our fault, don't like their product.

    Enter cigarette companies. Cigarette companies are urging the HUGE tax on roll your own. Why? It will force smokers to go back to them. Right? WRONG!! I would rather smoke my lawn grass (which has no chemicals) than to go back to factory cigarettes.

    Force these kinds of taxes on smokers and many will quit or try to. Enter pharmaceutical companies. They have just the gum, pill, patch or vaccine for smokers. See anything going on here folks?

    Taxing the butts off of smokers has nothing to do with wanting people to stop smoking. It has a lot to do with paying back lobbyists. It has a lot to do with lining pockets with poor and middle class smokers' money. This does not belong in a stimulus package supposedly designed to create jobs. The businesses that sell roll your own products will be gone and so will their employees' jobs.
    Maybe you don't like smokers. Even if you don't, you should pay attention to this kind of thing. The taxes on smokes are already creating a black market in this country (it's worse in Canada). Since smokers already feel like criminals for even existing, it won't take much to push Doris the Bingo Queen across the thin, blue line of black market cigs. Now, revenue drops even more.

    Where to make up the shortfall? Fast food? Candy? Salty Snacks?

    They will get around to your particular vice regardless of how innocuous you believe it to be.

    Tall Horse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Maybe you don't like smokers. Even if you don't, you should pay attention to this kind of thing. The taxes on smokes are already creating a black market in this country (it's worse in Canada). Since smokers already feel like criminals for even existing, it won't take much to push Doris the Bingo Queen across the thin, blue line of black market cigs. Now, revenue drops even more.

    Where to make up the shortfall? Fast food? Candy? Salty Snacks?

    They will get around to your particular vice regardless of how innocuous you believe it to be.

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    I quit over 20 years ago around the time anti-smoker nazi's were starting to crank up their disdain for smokers. Those people that don't care how high taxes on cigs go up better watch out cause their little red wagon might be next to get taxed into oblivion also. These asshole politicians have their sights on sucking every dime out of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    I quit over 20 years ago around the time anti-smoker nazi's were starting to crank up their disdain for smokers. Those people that don't care how high taxes on cigs go up better watch out cause their little red wagon might be next to get taxed into oblivion also. These asshole politicians have their sights on sucking every dime out of you.
    You've got that right. Smoking bothers me, but I just stay as much away from it as I can. But Obama is just starting with his social engineering. Everyone's ox will be gored. It's just the beginning.

    This morning I read an article in our local lib rag where there is talk in the state of Missouri about a tax based on mileage vs a gas tax at the pump. Why? Because as folks get away from the gas guzzlers and get more fuel efficient cars, the state's revenue will go down. Soooo, they'll put a little monitoring device. How special that the state will know where you've been, how many miles you've driven, etc. I hope the folks wake up soon and see what's happening.
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    Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.
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    A lot of people in Detroit buy their cigarettes at the Duty-free shop, while crossing over to Canada. I don't cross over-I don't have a passport, yet, and that will be required within the next month.

    But you can buy a carton at the duty-free shop without any taxes whatsoever.

    I used to drive to Ohio to buy mine, but 1. Gas prices got really high for a while there and 2. Ohio raised their state tax so that it isn't worth the ride there. I'll buy them there if I'm going to Toledo or Columbus for other reasons.
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    Roll your own will still come out cheaper at around $3-4 a pack, but there's no way I'm paying $24 tax on $15 of tobacco. Especially when $3+ is already going to the master settlement agreement.

    The tax on tubes works out to about 25 cents a carton. Sad considering a carton is generally $2 at the current rate.
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    I'm not a smoker and can't stand the smell, but I have never supported such taxes because I figure at some point, the liberals will want to tax my vice...OR, they will do what the crazies in CA tried to do...call it a surcharge.
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    This is this ol boy in town that I go see occassionally,every other month or so. Been going to see the guy for yrs now and sort of a tradition is I bring him a couple packs of marlboros and a cup of coffee. When I started doing that the smokes & coffee set me back about $3.50 now they cost $12 and some change. The coffee is about the same price maybe 20 cents more than it used to be.
    The 21st century. The age of Smart phones and Stupid people.

    It is said that branches draw their life from the vine. Each is separate yet all are one as they share one life giving stem . The Bible tells us we are called to a similar union in life, our lives with the life of God. We are incorporated into him; made sharers in his life. Apart from this union we can do nothing.
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    Wait until the socialists start taxing the hell out of beer, snack foods, junk food or anything else they can think of to raise more $$$ for their socialists programs. When the well runs dry, the caca hits the fan.
    "If every poor man is to come here and start requesting money for all his children, the applicants will never be satisfied and the nation's finances will collapse." Emperor Tiberius: Tacitus:Annals




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