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    Banned From Britain, Dutch Lawmaker Denied Entry at Heathrow

    Thursday, February 12, 2009
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    An anti-Islam Dutch politician banned from entering Great Britain says he has been detained upon arrival at Heathrow Airport and will be returned home.

    Upon Geert Wilders' arrival at Heathrow Airport, he was presented with a letter from Britain's Home Office saying that his opinions "threatenen community security." The right-wing lawmaker had been invited by a member of Parliament to show his anti-Islam movie "Fitna," which calls the Koran a "fascist" book and accuses Islam of being a violent religion.

    The news comes one day after he dared the "weak and cowardly" British government to arrest him when he gets there.

    He criticized the travel ban as an attempt to stifle freedom of speech and traveled to Britain on a point of principle.

    "I'll see what happens at the border," Wilders told Radio Netherlands on Wednesday. "Let them put me in handcuffs."

    Wilders was told by the British Embassy in a letter Tuesday that he could not set foot in the country.

    Britain's Home Office would not comment specifically on the ban, but it said it "opposes extremism in all its forms" and would work to "stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country."

    The U.K.'s Lord Malcolm Pearson, who invited Wilders to Britain, told the Daily Mail newspaper that the screening of the film would go ahead today "with or without Mr. Wilders."

    Wilders remains held at the airport. Dutch Foreign Minister Maxine Verhagen told the Mail that the Netherlands government would press to lift the travel ban.

    Here is the Home Department's letter regarding his travel ban as given by Fox News:
    Home Office
    UK Border Agency

    Mr Geert Wilders :
    For delivery via: British Embassy in The Hague

    Dear Mr Wilders
    The purpose of this letter is to inform you that the Secretary of State is of the view that your
    presence in the UK would pose a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat to one of
    the fundamental interests of society. The Secretary of State is satisfied that your statements
    about Muslims and their beliefs, as expressed in your film Fitna and elsewhere, would
    threaten community harmony and therefore public security in the UK.
    You are advised that should you travel to the UK and seek admission an Immigration Officer
    wil! take into account the Secretary of State's view. If, in accordance with regulation 21 of the
    Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006, the Immigration Officer is
    satisfied that your exclusion is justified on grounds of public policy and/or public security, you
    will be refused adrnission to the UK under regulation 19. You would have a right of appeal
    against any refusal of admission, exercisable from outside the UK.
    Yours sincerely,

    Irving Jones

    On behalf of the Secretary of State for the Home Department
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    This is hilarious and more proof that we are living in the End Days. The Brits deny entry to a guy who thinks the Islamic invasion of Europe is a bad idea but that same government is totally okay with British Muslim citizens who hold up signs urging death for Jews, Christians, atheists, and anybody who believes in the rule of law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AHeneen View Post
    Banned From Britain, Dutch Lawmaker Denied Entry at Heathrow

    Thursday, February 12, 2009
    Fox News

    An anti-Islam Dutch politician banned from entering Great Britain says he has been detained upon arrival at Heathrow Airport and will be returned home.

    Upon Geert Wilders' arrival at Heathrow Airport, he was presented with a letter from Britain's Home Office saying that his opinions "threatenen community security." The right-wing lawmaker had been invited by a member of Parliament to show his anti-Islam movie "Fitna," which calls the Koran a "fascist" book and accuses Islam of being a violent religion.

    The news comes one day after he dared the "weak and cowardly" British government to arrest him when he gets there.

    He criticized the travel ban as an attempt to stifle freedom of speech and traveled to Britain on a point of principle.

    "I'll see what happens at the border," Wilders told Radio Netherlands on Wednesday. "Let them put me in handcuffs."

    Wilders was told by the British Embassy in a letter Tuesday that he could not set foot in the country.

    Britain's Home Office would not comment specifically on the ban, but it said it "opposes extremism in all its forms" and would work to "stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country."

    The U.K.'s Lord Malcolm Pearson, who invited Wilders to Britain, told the Daily Mail newspaper that the screening of the film would go ahead today "with or without Mr. Wilders."

    Wilders remains held at the airport. Dutch Foreign Minister Maxine Verhagen told the Mail that the Netherlands government would press to lift the travel ban.

    Here is the Home Department's letter regarding his travel ban as given by Fox News:
    Doesn't the EU charter guarantee freedom of movement between member nations? And since Wilders is a Dutch MP, shouldn't his entry be automatic as a government official of a member state? Refusing him entry isn't simply cowardice (although it certainly is that), but a diplomatic issue that has repercussions throughout the EU. For example, could Holland deny a British MP who voted for British support for the Iraq war entry? And, of course, this is the same Britain that "opposes extremism in all its forms" and would work to "stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country," but permits Imams to immigrate, preach the doctrine of violent jihad and support for terrorism from the pulpit, and pays them welfare and other benefits in order to subsidize their sedition, but an elected representative of a NATO and EU ally is officially snubbed and expelled like a common criminal. This is definitely about as inverted a reality as you can get.
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    This is a national disgrace, and an affront to civil liberties and to freedom of speech.

    Wilders said, today:

    'Gordon Brown grootste lafaard van Europa'

    He's right. The word means "coward".

    The sooner we get rid of this disgusting socialist government, the better.
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    I don't believe that Britain has any laws guaranteeing free speech. Traditionally in Europe there have been bans of free speech. In Germany they can't refer to Nazis in any positive light. France has very strict laws on how the French language can be used with many slang terms being barred from public documents and media reports. The only thing really new here is that they are using their hate speech laws to protect a religion under the guise of protecting an ethic minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Doesn't the EU charter guarantee freedom of movement between member nations? And since Wilders is a Dutch MP, shouldn't his entry be automatic as a government official of a member state? Refusing him entry isn't simply cowardice (although it certainly is that), but a diplomatic issue that has repercussions throughout the EU. For example, could Holland deny a British MP who voted for British support for the Iraq war entry? And, of course, this is the same Britain that "opposes extremism in all its forms" and would work to "stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country," but permits Imams to immigrate, preach the doctrine of violent jihad and support for terrorism from the pulpit, and pays them welfare and other benefits in order to subsidize their sedition, but an elected representative of a NATO and EU ally is officially snubbed and expelled like a common criminal. This is definitely about as inverted a reality as you can get.
    I agree with your last line. I thought people were free to move too, but according to Wikipedia:
    Status of the United Kingdom and Ireland
    The United Kingdom and Ireland are the only two EU members before the 2004 enlargement that did not sign the 1990 Schengen Convention (Schengen II) and that reserved themselves an opt-out in the Treaty of Amsterdam. Although that treaty transferred the existing Schengen rules into the law of the European Union, which is also applicable in the United Kingdom and in Ireland, not all provisions which were made under the Schengen treaties became applicable in the UK and Ireland. Furthermore, the new EU competence to pass new laws in the areas which were governed by the Schengen rules did not automatically extend to the UK and Ireland.
    So I guess that answers the question. The fact that he is a diplomat should only matter if he was traveling on official duties and the two countries are at peace with each other (which they are, I'm just saying).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    And since Wilders is a Dutch MP, shouldn't his entry be automatic as a government official of a member state?
    He is a member of the NL parliament, but is not a government official, and therefore he has no status as a diplomat.

    His deportation is still a disgrace, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaGator View Post
    I don't believe that Britain has any laws guaranteeing free speech. Traditionally in Europe there have been bans of free speech. In Germany they can't refer to Nazis in any positive light. France has very strict laws on how the French language can be used with many slang terms being barred from public documents and media reports. The only thing really new here is that they are using their hate speech laws to protect a religion under the guise of protecting an ethic minority.
    Britain isn't protecting a religion, they're protecting a political movement with religious cover. The Koran and Hadith are quite explicit about the obligations of jihad and the expansion of Islam. British Moslems are constantly quoted as wanting to subvert the crown and the government and impose Sharia law. This makes their jihad a political movement, not a religious one.
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    He is a member of the NL parliament, but is not a government official, and therefore he has no status as a diplomat.

    His deportation is still a disgrace, though.
    A member of parliament isn't considered an elected government official? I'm surprised by that. If a US congress member were denied entry to Britain, they'd scream bloody murder (although, if it were Pelosi or Reid, it would be understandable).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    A member of parliament isn't considered an elected government official?
    No, except where they hold a government position.

    A member of parliament is considered to be a government official only when he or she also holds a governmental position, usually (in our system, at least) a ministerial or secretarial post (Minister of Justice, Home Secretary), etc. In the UK, the top posts are assigned by the leader of the dominant party, in our case, most unfortunately, Prime Minister Gordon Brown. There is a pecking order, of course, within the ranks of government.

    The government posts get handed out to MPs of the dominant party, not to members of opposition parties, although this can in theory happen.

    You will find that the basic rule of who is and is not considered a government official to be applied universally across all western parliamentary democracies.
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    I've started another thread, where you can see Wilders' movie.

    FITNA
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