02-16-2009, 08:38 PM
25Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. 28In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30because we are members of his body. 31 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." 32This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Tell me, does a beating sound like a way to cherish and love one's wife as Christ loves the church?
Last edited by Celtic Rose; 02-16-2009 at 09:43 PM.
02-16-2009, 09:38 PM
Traditional Christian operate under the New Covenant. Shockingly, we are not obliged to kill doves for various reasons nor to pass up the Shrimp Scampi.
The OT is loaded with various things that are applicable to Orthodox Jews. We are not Orthodox Jews. Most Jews aren't Orthodox Jews. Why would you use a text applicable to Orthodox Jews to prove a point on Christian conduct?
Christians acknowledge Christian leadership in family matters. This means the husband has the responsibility for making the best possible decisions for his wife and family based on his knowledge and circumstances. Smart husbands make smart decisions and stupid husbands make stupid decisions - just like in the atheist life!
Women have the responsibility of being the "heart" of Christian families. They can pay the bills, play around with the IRA, drive in NASCAR, and shoot turkeys (among other things). Once they say their piece about a decision, the husband decides taking his wife's counsel into account. Just like Mohammad was constantly at his wife's beck and call financially and in other practical matters until her death.
02-16-2009, 11:06 PM
“Men are superior to women because Allah has made so. Therefore good women are obedient, and (as to) those (women) on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” (Sura 4, verse 34).
“And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them, four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.” (Sura 4, verse 15).
“O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time then call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other.” (Sura 2, verse 282).
“Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.” (Sura 2, verse 223).
BTW, if you're going to be an atheist, at least take the time to know what it is that you don't believe in.--Odysseus
Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.
Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
02-17-2009, 10:34 AM
According to one rather odd passage in the Bible, a wife who touches the genitals of another woman's husband is to have her hand cut off...
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 (King James Version)
11When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
12Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.
Kind of severe if you ask me.Ubi Dubium Ibi Libertas
02-17-2009, 10:47 AM
Proverbs 20:30 (King James Version)
30The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.Ubi Dubium Ibi Libertas
02-17-2009, 10:55 AM
Last edited by FlaGator; 02-17-2009 at 11:03 AM.
Please don't shoot me
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