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02-16-2009, 06:53 PMThe 21st century. The age of Smart phones and Stupid people.
It is said that branches draw their life from the vine. Each is separate yet all are one as they share one life giving stem . The Bible tells us we are called to a similar union in life, our lives with the life of God. We are incorporated into him; made sharers in his life. Apart from this union we can do nothing.
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02-16-2009, 07:31 PM
1 Corinthians 11:8-9
8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...20;&version=9;Ubi Dubium Ibi Libertas
02-16-2009, 07:56 PM
To ignore the implications of Islam in this case is to be naive at best or willfully ignorant at worst. Wife-beating is an instruction from the prophet to his followers. It's not a concept derived from parable or analogy. It's not something sifted out of OT style stories or the product of textual analysis. It's a flat instruction.
This man's transgression from a religious point of view is a matter of degree and duration, not behavior. The religious point of view is germane here because the husband can invoke talaq which results in a de facto divorce. When the case is put before the Family Court, the case will be decided according to sharia law. Under that law, in a he said/she said case, he wins because her testimony is worth half of his.
Aside from a very tiny minority of Christians in this country, wife-beating is uniformly seen as a despicable act which violates Christan morals and serves as evidence of a complete failure of Christian leadership on the part of the husband. No authoritative Christian institutions sanction wife-beating. None. No legal authority in this country would take a Christian man's word over his wife's word in any kind of case. No Christian family would imprison or kill a wife returned to her father's home because of divorce.
Values do matter.
02-16-2009, 08:18 PM
Ephesians 5:22-24 (New Living Translation)
22 For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church. 24 As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.
So, according to the Bible, if the husband feels that he needs to discipline his wife in some physical manner, then the wife must submit to the punishiment. Everything means everything!Ubi Dubium Ibi Libertas
02-16-2009, 08:36 PM
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.“I have learned now that while those who speak about one's miseries usually hurt, those who keep silence hurt more.”
God judged it better to bring good out of evil than to suffer no evil to exist.
St. Augustine of Hippo
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