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    Pakistan agrees Sharia law deal

    Pakistan has signed a peace deal with a Taleban group that will lead to the enforcement of the Islamic Sharia law in the restive Swat valley.
    Regional officials urged the Taleban, who agreed a 10-day truce on Sunday, to lay down their arms permanently.
    Once one of Pakistan's most popular holiday destinations, the Swat valley is now mostly under Taleban control.
    Thousands of people have fled and hundreds of schools have been destroyed since the Taleban insurgency in 2007.
    Chief Minister of North West Frontier Province Ameer Hussain Hoti announced a bill had been signed that would implement a new "order of justice" in the Malakand division, which includes Swat.
    The bill will create a separate system of justice for the whole region.
    The BBC's M Ilyas Khan, who was recently in Swat, says the Taleban had already set up their own system of Islamic justice, as they understand it.
    Their campaign against female education has led to tens of thousands of children being denied an education, our correspondent says.
    US envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke, who is in India, said he needed more information on the deal but that the situation in Swat had "deeply affected the people of Pakistan, not just in Peshawar but in Lahore and in Islamabad".
    Mr Holbrooke said Swat "demonstrates a key point and that is that India, the United States and Pakistan have all a common threat now... [we] all face an enemy which possesses a direct threat to our leadership".
    'Very positive'
    The government of North West Frontier Province had been holding talks with local militant leader, Sufi Mohammad, on making amendments to the enforcement of Sharia in Swat.
    Sufi Mohammad, a pro-Taleban cleric, is the father-in-law of Maulana Fazlullah, who has been waging a violent campaign to impose Sharia in the region.
    Mr Hoti said: "An agreement has been reached with Sufi Mohammad's delegation and this is a great breakthrough.
    "The recommendations and proposals have been finalised, but they can only be implemented after peace is achieved."
    Mr Hoti said President Asif Ali Zardari had "in principle... approved this package".
    Mr Hoti said the agreement had not been made "under pressure from anyone" and was not unconstitutional.
    "It was reached after realisation that it was the demand of the people."
    The chief minister said the government had done all it could and asked for the Taleban to now lay down their arms.
    He said a grand jirga (council) led by Sufi Mohammad would now be going to Swat to get all the factions to comply.
    The Taleban have said they will examine the document before ending hostilities permanently.
    The Agence France-Presse news agency quoted Sufi Mohammad as saying: "We had been holding negotiations with the government on a 22-point charter of demands for quite some time. There were differences on five points, which were removed in a meeting on Sunday."
    Sharia law has been in force in Malakand since 1994. But appeal cases are heard in the Peshawar high court, which operates under the civil code.
    Our correspondent says there will be alterations to the appeals process - a point of contention often cited by the militants for their continued insurgency.
    The agreement will bind the provincial government to implement Sharia law in the Malakand division, which comprises Swat and its adjoining areas.
    The people of Swat have been caught in the crossfire between the army and the Taleban, our correspondent says.
    More than 1,000 civilians have died in shelling by the army or from beheadings sanctioned by the Taleban. Thousands more have been displaced.
    The Taleban now control the entire countryside of Swat, limiting army control to parts of the valley's capital, Mingora.
    Many people in Swat now would favour an early exit by the army as they have failed to roll back the Taleban or protect the Taleban's opponents, says our correspondent.

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    Well, when the wonderful, totally clueless Chairman of the Intellegence Committee throws you under the bus, I guess you make deals with the devil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorsedriver View Post
    Well, when the wonderful, totally clueless Chairman of the Intellegence Committee throws you under the bus, I guess you make deals with the devil.
    And, like the camel that only wanted to get his nose in the tent, this is only the first major capitulation. Wonder what the world will be like when all of Pakistan is under Sharia law and the Taliban? Oh, and let's not forget that Pakistan is a nuclear power.
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    Without Pakistan there is no hope for victory in Afganistan. As all can see we are without Pakistan and they will continue to decline. Our "allies"(?) are not helping enough, the U.N. is not helping enough adding it all up and understanding the History of that nation and that area it is time to consider, though painfully withdrawal . No need to send more troops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE RESISTANCE View Post
    Without Pakistan there is no hope for victory in Afganistan. As all can see we are without Pakistan and they will continue to decline. Our "allies"(?) are not helping enough, the U.N. is not helping enough adding it all up and understanding the History of that nation and that area it is time to consider, though painfully withdrawal . No need to send more troops.
    No, it's just tougher. The problem is that if we withdraw, that will hand Afghanistan off to the Taliban, not to mention a renewed Al Qaeda and other Islamist networks, each of which would be sharpening its knives. That will put us where we were on September 10th, 2001, with September 11th to follow, only worse. A withdrawal would signal incredible weakness, which is part of the reason that Pakistan is capitulating to the Islamists, because they're afraid that we've lost our stomach for the fight (Obama's election wasn't a sign of a confident nation preparing for a long war for the survival of western civilization). That perception, plus a failed state that can serve as a staging area, is a formula for guaranteeing future attacks on US soil of even greater destruction. Don't like the Patriot Act? Get ready for round two, because I can tell you that after we lose a few thousand more Americans in a single day, or worse, after a nuke is detonated in a US city, the chattering class, which bitched and whined about theoretical losses of liberties for terrorists, will be clamoring for security arrangements that will make us into what they claim to not want (but secretly yearn for, as long as they're in charge), a national security state. For a picture of what that looks like, take a week in Tel Aviv.
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    Odysseus don't get me wrong! I don't want a " L" on Afganistan at all.

    But if Pakistan keeps going south I don't see a "W' there, Afganistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE RESISTANCE View Post
    Odysseus don't get me wrong! I don't want a " L" on Afganistan at all.
    But if Pakistan keeps going south I don't see a "W' there, Afganistan.
    Then we won't see a "W" anywhere else. Afghanistan is our test. We either find a way to win with what we have, or we close up our borders and I spend the rest of my career on Hadrian's Wall with the rest of the centurians, watching the chaos loom closer.
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