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    Obama is considered a Socialist because he spoke of redistributing the wealth. He also has some contraversal ideas regarding healthcare. It's not even universal healthcare, but it would be the closest we have to it if it ever got passed.

    Anyway, that's what supposedly makes him a Socialist, and supposedly makes him so horrible.

    So here is my question for some here. What did you all think of Tony Blair? He was part of the Labour Party. He supported universal healthcare and other social programs. He also was George Bush's ally in the war on terrorism. Australia was our ally for a while, and yet they have universal healthcare. What about Israel? Only about six percent of its land is privately owned. The rest is owned by the government. Before all the I/P contraversy, they were sort of considered a Socialist country by some. And yet I see conservatives supporting the state of Israel.

    So what did you all think of all these leaders and countries that were our allies and at the same time have ideas that are "Socialist"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie
    And yet I see conservatives supporting the state of Israel.

    So what did you all think of all these leaders and countries that were our allies and at the same time have ideas that are "Socialist"?
    We either support Israel or terrorists. I pick Israel.
    Europe is also very socialist. But just because we are allies with certain countries does not mean we have to agree with them on every single issue. If that were the case we wouldn't have any allies at all. Yes Israel has socialist policies, and so does Canada and many countries in Europe. But why make them our enemies? Likewise, why become socialist like them? Their socialist actions within their country will not harm the United States. Policies of terrorists aim at destroying the western world. There in lies the major difference. Very good question I must say.
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    What do I think? I think that they are not my president - and I am not citizens of those countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Obama is considered a Socialist because he spoke of redistributing the wealth. He also has some contraversal ideas regarding healthcare. It's not even universal healthcare, but it would be the closest we have to it if it ever got passed.

    Anyway, that's what supposedly makes him a Socialist, and supposedly makes him so horrible.

    So here is my question for some here. What did you all think of Tony Blair? He was part of the Labour Party. He supported universal healthcare and other social programs. He also was George Bush's ally in the war on terrorism. Australia was our ally for a while, and yet they have universal healthcare. What about Israel? Only about six percent of its land is privately owned. The rest is owned by the government. Before all the I/P contraversy, they were sort of considered a Socialist country by some. And yet I see conservatives supporting the state of Israel.

    So what did you all think of all these leaders and countries that were our allies and at the same time have ideas that are "Socialist"?
    It is not that those countries are evil, it is just if you look at them, they all have far less freedom than we have here in the U.S. The economies of each also suffers significantly more stagnation than it should, with less innovation.
    I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    It is not that those countries are evil, it is just if you look at them, they all have far less freedom than we have here in the U.S. The economies of each also suffers significantly more stagnation than it should, with less innovation.
    I wouldn't call it less freedom, but maybe less opportunity. Even then, that's in the eye of the beholder.
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    Okay, judging by the answers, it sounds like many don't think "Socialism" is evil, just not preferrable. Would that be correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Okay, judging by the answers, it sounds like many don't think "Socialism" is evil, just not preferrable. Would that be correct?
    I don't believe that Socialism is inherently evil, but rather that it is misguided, and that there is the potential for serious abuse in its execution. Universal Health care sounds good, but can you name any ground breaking procedures or medicines that have come out of a country with a socialized health care system?
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    It is my opinion that denying freedom is evil, but some countries are struggling with it just as we are - to differing degrees of success. That does not mean the people are evil, but the system is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Rose View Post
    I don't believe that Socialism is inherently evil, but rather that it is misguided, and that there is the potential for serious abuse in its execution. Universal Health care sounds good, but can you name any ground breaking procedures or medicines that have come out of a country with a socialized health care system?
    the fact that it sounds good is what makes it most evil. :mad:
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    Sure, I don't agree/like socialism like most everyone on this forum, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to be allies with the not-so-hardcore of the socialists. Don't we, with our new president, have some socialist policies and are pushing for some more that may have other countries viewing us as socialists? Even in WWII, we allied with the Soviet Union to defeat Germany. Sometimes we have to give up our pure capitalist ideals in extreme situations such as WWII to defeat a common enemy.
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