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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Okay, judging by the answers, it sounds like many don't think "Socialism" is evil, just not preferrable. Would that be correct?
    I don't believe that Socialism is inherently evil, but rather that it is misguided, and that there is the potential for serious abuse in its execution. Universal Health care sounds good, but can you name any ground breaking procedures or medicines that have come out of a country with a socialized health care system?
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    It is my opinion that denying freedom is evil, but some countries are struggling with it just as we are - to differing degrees of success. That does not mean the people are evil, but the system is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Rose View Post
    I don't believe that Socialism is inherently evil, but rather that it is misguided, and that there is the potential for serious abuse in its execution. Universal Health care sounds good, but can you name any ground breaking procedures or medicines that have come out of a country with a socialized health care system?
    the fact that it sounds good is what makes it most evil. :mad:
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    the fact that it sounds good is what makes it most evil. :mad:
    You may have a point there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Rose View Post
    You may have a point there...
    Here's something people overlook - Satan is an angel of light. He can appear as a thing of beauty and deceive people into doing wicked things. You cannot go based on appearances or on your hope for something good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Obama is considered a Socialist because he spoke of redistributing the wealth. He also has some contraversal ideas regarding healthcare. It's not even universal healthcare, but it would be the closest we have to it if it ever got passed.

    Anyway, that's what supposedly makes him a Socialist, and supposedly makes him so horrible.

    So here is my question for some here. What did you all think of Tony Blair? He was part of the Labour Party. He supported universal healthcare and other social programs. He also was George Bush's ally in the war on terrorism. Australia was our ally for a while, and yet they have universal healthcare. What about Israel? Only about six percent of its land is privately owned. The rest is owned by the government. Before all the I/P contraversy, they were sort of considered a Socialist country by some. And yet I see conservatives supporting the state of Israel.

    So what did you all think of all these leaders and countries that were our allies and at the same time have ideas that are "Socialist"?
    Go live in an EU country or Canada; their taxes are much higher than ours. Their health care system is terrible plus being bankrupt. For example, waiting 6 months for an operation. Their standard of living is lower than ours. Millions of people from these regions would love to come to America for its opportunities. Conclusion, why in the hell would we want to emulate other countries? If you can not answer the question, you are one dumb ass liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    For better (inventions like electrical wiring, refrigeration and modern medicine) or for worse (slavery and pollution), that is what our backround is and we are pretty attached to it.
    Sorry, but your "for worse" applies equally to Europe.

    People were enslaved in Europe for centuries. Slavery in the New World was supported and encouraged by European powers who continued to exploit the need for labor in the United States. Serfdom was a way of life for many Europeans until well into the 19th century when it was mostly abolished.

    As for pollution, Europe was the origin of the industrial revolution, when mankind realized he could convert work into energy. Coal burning was at its most inefficient during this time, releasing tons of pollutants into the air. Not only that, but with the smaller size of Europe and comparable population, early industries - paper, inks, tanning - had a much higher effect per person on the environment Europe than we have today in the United States.
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    Sure, I don't agree/like socialism like most everyone on this forum, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to be allies with the not-so-hardcore of the socialists. Don't we, with our new president, have some socialist policies and are pushing for some more that may have other countries viewing us as socialists? Even in WWII, we allied with the Soviet Union to defeat Germany. Sometimes we have to give up our pure capitalist ideals in extreme situations such as WWII to defeat a common enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    Go live in an EU country or Canada; their taxes are much higher than ours. Their health care system is terrible plus being bankrupt. For example, waiting 6 months for an operation. Their standard of living is lower than ours. Millions of people from these regions would love to come to America for its opportunities. Conclusion, why in the hell would we want to emulate other countries? If you can not answer the question, you are one dumb ass liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coloko View Post
    Sure, I don't agree/like socialism like most everyone on this forum, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to be allies with the not-so-hardcore of the socialists. Don't we, with our new president, have some socialist policies and are pushing for some more that may have other countries viewing us as socialists? Even in WWII, we allied with the Soviet Union to defeat Germany. Sometimes we have to give up our pure capitalist ideals in extreme situations such as WWII to defeat a common enemy.

    You might want to give up some your capitalist ideals but I don't. The lefties on this board have not answered a fundamental question I have posed. Why would you want to emulate failed policies of the EU with sky high taxes, poor health care (waiting 6 months for an operation), loss of gun rights, loss of free speech (it's a crime in Canada to speak ill of queers), etc? Only a stupid fucking liberal would.
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