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    Tony Blair campaigned on slogans with nary a policy to be seen, he won a landslide victory after 18 years of Conservative government in part by scrubbing the appearance of socialism from the Labour party. It is unlikely that Tony (frankly one of the the most dishonest and corrupt Prime Minister we have ever had and who presided over a similarly corrupt government) was ever an actual socialist. He was interested in power and the Labour party was the best way for him to achieve it.

    Gordon Brown (our currently unelected Prime Minister) took over from Tony as the result of a long standing deal between the two of them. Gordon Brown was the Chancellor of the Exchequer (finance) and was the worst ever he managed to ride out a boom but managed by dint of his decisions to leave Britain in its current state of a financial basket case. Gordon has gone from being the worst Chancellor ever to being the worst Prime Minister ever, unusually he is actively hated by many (to an extent that Tony Blair never managed). Check out these current polls.
    Conservatives --- 41 percent (down 2 percentage points)
    Labour --- 25 percent (down 3)
    Lib Dems --- 22 percent (up 6)

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehou...ms-climb.thtml
    A 20-point lead for the Tories
    Peter Hoskin 12:00pm
    Here at the headline numbers from the latest Ipsos-MORI poll:

    Conservatives --- 48 percent (up 4 percentage points)
    Labour --- 28 percent (down 2)
    Lib Dems --- 17 percent (no change)

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/page_2/
    Sorry, America, I'm the bearer of bad news
    I predicted it all: the corruption, naivety, incompetence and wasting of tax dollars, says James Delingpole.

    By James Delingpole
    Last Updated: 6:05PM GMT 14 Feb 2009

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    Towards the end of an American tour last week to promote my new book Welcome to Obamaland: I've Seen Your Future and It Doesn't Work, I began to feel ever so slightly guilty. Partly it was all those people I met still wearing their "Vote Obama" badges like religious talismans, still quite obviously brimming with audacious hope for their country's bright future under the new Obamessiah. Who was I to come from the other side of the pond and rain on their parade?

    Mainly, though, it was because I'd never expected the Obama project to go pear-shaped quite so soon. Sure, it was nothing I hadn't predicted in the book: the cronyism, the corruption, the naivety, the incompetence, the wasting of taxpayers' money on pet, left-liberal causes. Even so, by the time I left Washington DC, I was feeling almost sorry for the guy. Couldn't he at least have had a honeymoon before the divorce papers came through?

    It's still early days, of course, with plenty of "time for change". But, after only three weeks, Obama's presidency has begun more closely to resemble the shambles at the end of the John Major administration than the golden dawn we might have expected for this Tony Blair Mk II.

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/4...-bad-news.html

    Read the article, James Delingpole, sets out nicely how we have become an illiberal surveillance society under the iron hand of socialism with a shiny face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    Go live in an EU country or Canada; their taxes are much higher than ours. Their health care system is terrible plus being bankrupt. For example, waiting 6 months for an operation. Their standard of living is lower than ours. Millions of people from these regions would love to come to America for its opportunities. Conclusion, why in the hell would we want to emulate other countries? If you can not answer the question, you are one dumb ass liberal.
    I'm not sure if all countries with universal health care. I've spoken to some from those countries who think the system is okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coloko View Post
    Sure, I don't agree/like socialism like most everyone on this forum, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to be allies with the not-so-hardcore of the socialists. Don't we, with our new president, have some socialist policies and are pushing for some more that may have other countries viewing us as socialists? Even in WWII, we allied with the Soviet Union to defeat Germany. Sometimes we have to give up our pure capitalist ideals in extreme situations such as WWII to defeat a common enemy.
    Soviet Union wasn't just Communist, they were what *I* would consider to be truly anti-freedom, oppressive, etc. I think countries can be Social Democracies and not take it as far as the former USSR (not a democracy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    I'm not sure if all countries with universal health care. I've spoken to some from those countries who think the system is okay.
    You made that up, or you talked to 19 year olds in perfect health. That is not at all like the stories that one normally hears of nationalized healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Soviet Union wasn't just Communist, they were what *I* would consider to be truly anti-freedom, oppressive, etc. I think countries can be Social Democracies and not take it as far as the former USSR (not a democracy).
    Perhaps we should ask some of the Brits and Cannuks who are members of CU what their opinion is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie
    I've spoken to some from those countries who think the system is okay.
    For anyone who does say the system is ok, that is only said because they either do not know what another system is like or they have a strong sense of pride in their country and do not want to debase their country by criticizing their own system. (Yet they say it is OK, which is essentially not an answer. Its just in the middle, they dont want to say good or bad.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by patriot45 View Post
    You made that up, or you talked to 19 year olds in perfect health. That is not at all like the stories that one normally hears of nationalized healthcare.
    Uh, no. Just because I'm not agreeing doesn't mean I'm lying or only talking to the young.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bijou View Post
    Tony Blair campaigned on slogans with nary a policy to be seen, he won a landslide victory after 18 years of Conservative government in part by scrubbing the appearance of socialism from the Labour party. It is unlikely that Tony (frankly one of the the most dishonest and corrupt Prime Minister we have ever had and who presided over a similarly corrupt government) was ever an actual socialist. He was interested in power and the Labour party was the best way for him to achieve it.

    Gordon Brown (our currently unelected Prime Minister) took over from Tony as the result of a long standing deal between the two of them. Gordon Brown was the Chancellor of the Exchequer (finance) and was the worst ever he managed to ride out a boom but managed by dint of his decisions to leave Britain in its current state of a financial basket case. Gordon has gone from being the worst Chancellor ever to being the worst Prime Minister ever, unusually he is actively hated by many (to an extent that Tony Blair never managed). Check out these current polls.



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/4...-bad-news.html

    Read the article, James Delingpole, sets out nicely how we have become an illiberal surveillance society under the iron hand of socialism with a shiny face.
    So what you're saying is that Barry is our Tony Blair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    So what you're saying is that Barry is our Tony Blair?
    Basically yes, the similarities are remarkable I think. It won't end well for Obama either, how long that will take I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bijou View Post
    Basically yes, the similarities are remarkable I think. It won't end well for Obama either, how long that will take I don't know.
    you mean it won't end well for America. :(
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