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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    I'm not sure if all countries with universal health care. I've spoken to some from those countries who think the system is okay.
    Tell you what: I am not willing to trade in what I have for some touchy, feely pile of socalistic pile of crap called national health care, universal health car or whatever the loonies on the left want to call. If I need emergency treatment, I go to the hospital and have it taken care of pronto. I don't want to wait for some fucked up bureaucrat to schedule my operation 6 months down the road. That is the way it is handled in Canada and GB. Only a fool or a stark raving moonbat would want that type of coverage.

    BTW, name the countries who think their system is ok. I call that a bunch of bull-shit. People from all over the world come here to get great medical care. Of course, you have to pay for it. Those that are old, poor or lazy can get emergency care pronto. Even drug dealer that get shot gets taken care of and the cost is passed on to the ones that can pay. I mean if those on the dole have irratable bowel syndrome, tough shit. Go to the drugstore. Oh, wait, you have to pay for it there. Choices have consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    I'm not sure if all countries with universal health care. I've spoken to some from those countries who think the system is okay.
    The people that don't have to use it - or only have to use it for simple things think it's okay. . . . . When I think of universal health care I think of the UK and their loverly government mandated programs. The Parliament says that emergency room waits can not be longer than a half hour -so what happens? They make people sit in the ambulances for hours to be able to say that they are in compliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    Tell you what: I am not willing to trade in what I have for some touchy, feely pile of socalistic pile of crap called national health care, universal health car or whatever the loonies on the left want to call. If I need emergency treatment, I go to the hospital and have it taken care of pronto. I don't want to wait for some fucked up bureaucrat to schedule my operation 6 months down the road. That is the way it is handled in Canada and GB. Only a fool or a stark raving moonbat would want that type of coverage.

    BTW, name the countries who think their system is ok. I call that a bunch of bull-shit. People from all over the world come here to get great medical care. Of course, you have to pay for it. Those that are old, poor or lazy can get emergency care pronto. Even drug dealer that get shot gets taken care of and the cost is passed on to the ones that can pay. I mean if those on the dole have irratable bowel syndrome, tough shit. Go to the drugstore. Oh, wait, you have to pay for it there. Choices have consequences.
    I know those from Canada who seem to be content for the most part. I know of Americans who appear to want to buy their prescriptions from Canada. Something about not being able to afford the outragious price over here. How good is healthcare you can't access?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    The people that don't have to use it - or only have to use it for simple things think it's okay. . . . . When I think of universal health care I think of the UK and their loverly government mandated programs. The Parliament says that emergency room waits can not be longer than a half hour -so what happens? They make people sit in the ambulances for hours to be able to say that they are in compliance.
    Emergency room waits can be longer than half an hour here. Their reasoning is that the most crucial emergencies come before what might not be as crucial. The person in a horrible car accident probably comes before the person who needs stitches most of the time. Maybe all the problems with the UK's health system are not about the universal healthcare?
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    The entire idea of universal healthcare is completely flawed. It is in no way free; people pay for it through taxes. It will be more expensive to have universal healthcare than to have private insurance, because insurance companies have to compete for customers. The government doesn't. Competition in business is essential. Look at Apple and Microsoft. Both companies each year try to out-do the other. If one didn't exist, why try to make the product so much better? The same goes for healthcare. Having multiple private industries competing is better than one large industry controlling everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie
    How good is healthcare you can't access?
    I dont call waiting for months to get a crucial operation healthcare you can access.

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    I know those from Canada who seem to be content for the most part.
    I doubt that those from Canada you know have needed the doctors for serious operations.

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    I know of Americans who appear to want to buy their prescriptions from Canada. Something about not being able to afford the outragious price over here.
    The value of the American Dollar is worth more than the value of the Canadian Dollar. Obviously prices will be fairly cheaper. On top of that, most drugs from Canada are of a quality inferior to US drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Emergency room waits can be longer than half an hour here. Their reasoning is that the most crucial emergencies come before what might not be as crucial. The person in a horrible car accident probably comes before the person who needs stitches most of the time. Maybe all the problems with the UK's health system are not about the universal healthcare?
    trouble is - there are nasty problems like this anywhere there is socialized medicine. In Canada you have to wait MONTHS of some surgeries or to get a CT scan or MRI. Strangely enough - not so before the shift to universal health care. But what does that matter? Canadians get to dose themselves to death with cheap perscription drugs and that's what's really important right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythic View Post
    On top of that, most drugs from Canada are of a quality inferior to US drugs.
    Any proof of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie
    Any proof of that?
    Yes.
    Canadian drugs were safe, but they arenít anymore. Imports of drugs into Canada from Brazil, Bangladesh, China, South Africa, and even Saudi Arabia and Iran have all increased dramatically in the past year. Health Canada admits it does not inspect drugs entering the country, and the FDA says it lacks the manpower to ensure the safety of drugs that cross the border from Canada to the U.S. Consequently, Canadian drugs are no longer as safe as drugs manufactured and purchased in the U.S."
    Found here:
    http://www.heartland.org/policybot/r...om_Canada.html

    Another site that is against Canadian drug importation and talks about how Canada has been increasingly imported more of its drugs from foreign countries that do not produce the drugs in safe ways.
    http://www.galen.org/fileuploads/Dru...Fact_Sheet.pdf

    And finally a more recent article:
    http://www.policyalternatives.ca/Mon...itorIssue1977/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Okay, judging by the answers, it sounds like many don't think "Socialism" is evil, just not preferrable. Would that be correct?
    I don't think the true definition or intent of socialism is ever evil. However, history has shown how susceptible socialism is to misuse by the political-class. To ignore the unfortunate human fallacies that come with the recipe is reckless at best. A republic (not a democracy) has shown to be the lesser evil. A republic does limit the power of the political class and that is a never ending thorn in the side of those in power who seek more. I suppose that is the major reason a republic is under a constant push toward becoming a democracy. And, a democracy lends itself well to the next step. Socialism.
    We' won't find a political Snidely Whiplash who promotes evil for the sake of evil. We will be done in by those with the best of intentions.
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    Lanie, you want to know why we're all so hell bent against ANY amount of socialism?

    "We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

    -Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959
    There is debate as to whether or not he actually said it, but that doesn't make it any less true. I think you would agree, most Americans are idiots. They would embrace anything if you just package it right. The idiot majority will drag down an informed minority in a Democracy. Hence, the achilles heel of a democratic society.
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