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    Obama is considered a Socialist because he spoke of redistributing the wealth. He also has some contraversal ideas regarding healthcare. It's not even universal healthcare, but it would be the closest we have to it if it ever got passed.

    Anyway, that's what supposedly makes him a Socialist, and supposedly makes him so horrible.

    So here is my question for some here. What did you all think of Tony Blair? He was part of the Labour Party. He supported universal healthcare and other social programs. He also was George Bush's ally in the war on terrorism. Australia was our ally for a while, and yet they have universal healthcare. What about Israel? Only about six percent of its land is privately owned. The rest is owned by the government. Before all the I/P contraversy, they were sort of considered a Socialist country by some. And yet I see conservatives supporting the state of Israel.

    So what did you all think of all these leaders and countries that were our allies and at the same time have ideas that are "Socialist"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie
    And yet I see conservatives supporting the state of Israel.

    So what did you all think of all these leaders and countries that were our allies and at the same time have ideas that are "Socialist"?
    We either support Israel or terrorists. I pick Israel.
    Europe is also very socialist. But just because we are allies with certain countries does not mean we have to agree with them on every single issue. If that were the case we wouldn't have any allies at all. Yes Israel has socialist policies, and so does Canada and many countries in Europe. But why make them our enemies? Likewise, why become socialist like them? Their socialist actions within their country will not harm the United States. Policies of terrorists aim at destroying the western world. There in lies the major difference. Very good question I must say.
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    What do I think? I think that they are not my president - and I am not citizens of those countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Obama is considered a Socialist because he spoke of redistributing the wealth. He also has some contraversal ideas regarding healthcare. It's not even universal healthcare, but it would be the closest we have to it if it ever got passed.

    Anyway, that's what supposedly makes him a Socialist, and supposedly makes him so horrible.

    So here is my question for some here. What did you all think of Tony Blair? He was part of the Labour Party. He supported universal healthcare and other social programs. He also was George Bush's ally in the war on terrorism. Australia was our ally for a while, and yet they have universal healthcare. What about Israel? Only about six percent of its land is privately owned. The rest is owned by the government. Before all the I/P contraversy, they were sort of considered a Socialist country by some. And yet I see conservatives supporting the state of Israel.

    So what did you all think of all these leaders and countries that were our allies and at the same time have ideas that are "Socialist"?
    It is not that those countries are evil, it is just if you look at them, they all have far less freedom than we have here in the U.S. The economies of each also suffers significantly more stagnation than it should, with less innovation.
    I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Obama is considered a Socialist because he spoke of redistributing the wealth. He also has some contraversal ideas regarding healthcare. It's not even universal healthcare, but it would be the closest we have to it if it ever got passed.

    Anyway, that's what supposedly makes him a Socialist, and supposedly makes him so horrible.

    So here is my question for some here. What did you all think of Tony Blair? He was part of the Labour Party. He supported universal healthcare and other social programs. He also was George Bush's ally in the war on terrorism. Australia was our ally for a while, and yet they have universal healthcare. What about Israel? Only about six percent of its land is privately owned. The rest is owned by the government. Before all the I/P contraversy, they were sort of considered a Socialist country by some. And yet I see conservatives supporting the state of Israel.

    So what did you all think of all these leaders and countries that were our allies and at the same time have ideas that are "Socialist"?
    Obama is a horrible person because in the land of freedom and liberty, where the Constitution is supposed to govern the actions of the Federal Government, he wantonly ignores its edicts in some misguided vision of "fairness."

    Britain and other European countries don't have such an extensive history of freedom. From Spain to Italy to France and Germany, until fairly recently fascism had a strong grip on the citizenry. East of Germany, the left-wing version of fascism - Marxist Communism - held most of Europe under thumb.

    The European countries are still learning to live with freedom. They are not the oldest democracy in the world setting an example, they are the newcomers who should be looking to the United States as an example of how to be free.

    When a Socialist like Obama takes center stage in the United States, it signals to the rest of the world that Democracy itself is threatened. With his promises to destroy the concept of property, equality, and freedoms, in a bid to look more like the upstart democracies of Europe, he signals that the 200+ year global experiment with democracy has failed.

    It's no wonder that the enemies of our country supported this fool.
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    How about this? I don't give a shit what other countries do, as long as it don't affect me. If they are Socialist, but help us out when needed, then I don't care. When someone is trying to shove socialism down my throat, then I care.
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    I am no Obama supporter by any means, but what edicts has he ignored?

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    Europe does not have the tradition of free enterprise in the same way the US does. For better (inventions like electrical wiring, refrigeration and modern medicine) or for worse (slavery and pollution), that is what our backround is and we are pretty attached to it.


    When my grandfather left Austria/Italy in 1924, he left a region that was fragmented by ethnicity and language, ravaged by a war, and not even 100 years past feudalism. He came here, found that even as a poor immigrant he lived in a house with electricity and indoor plumbing, there were streetlights, schools and stores, and all kinds of advantages he didn't have back there. This is the standard of living that Europe has chosen to achieve via socialism. Now, conservatives are fearing that we will resort to socialism to maintain that standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    It is not that those countries are evil, it is just if you look at them, they all have far less freedom than we have here in the U.S. The economies of each also suffers significantly more stagnation than it should, with less innovation.
    I wouldn't call it less freedom, but maybe less opportunity. Even then, that's in the eye of the beholder.
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    Okay, judging by the answers, it sounds like many don't think "Socialism" is evil, just not preferrable. Would that be correct?
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