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    Quote Originally Posted by biccat View Post
    I propose dropping this issue for the time. It seems like a tangent to the actual issue of the effectiveness of sanctions in getting N. Korea to disarm.
    And you agree they work and I don't think they're effective...so we just have to agree to disagree...Ican live with that. ;)
    I'll read the link you sent about sanctions effectiveness...I just haven't yet.

    Here's the link I promised about the little Korean problem....scroll down a bit and read the article US OUT from this blog. And click on any of the links within the story especially about property rights issues....you'll always find the closest truth on alternative news sources...once you sort through the B.S.

    I've found some very good, truthful news on this forum....but it's not always accurate. You just have to us the B.S. detector.

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    OK...read the article
    1st. I didn't really see any relation to the progress related to the effectiveness of sanctions.

    2nd. I think this kind of makes my point that it's up to S. Korean government to work out it's differences with N.K.
    The US may actually hurt the process by being a mediator nobody wants. I still believe bilateral talks will be most effective between the two.
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    What a suprise....Bush the magic Globalist. I just heard Jerry Doyle talking about this on his radio show...this is flat out disgusting. 2002, they were part of the Axis of Evil, suddenly they're not so bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    Back last fall my son went up to the DMZ for a field exercise. He was with the 1/72nd AR. As they were going through a little town the locals threw stuff at them and protested. They shouted "go home, we don't want you". These were regular folk, not college students.

    Recently there was a mass anti American protest outside the gates of Camp Casey.
    These protests are orchestrated by a far left, anti-American mindset that is based on ignorance and extreme nationalism. The Koreans are much in love with all things Korean. This group sets up confrontations with American soldiers and videos the results. The cropped version gets played on Korean TV showin the Big, mean Miguk abusing the poor, meek, mild Korean.

    Koreans are anti-American beef not because of a real Mad cow disease but a manufacured one. The internet was flooded with spam and propaganda and the media was a willing accomplice. Sound familiar? 300,000,000 Americans eat beef and not a single case of mad cow. The Koreas were told that they were more susceptible to getting the disease, and they CHOOSE to believe that lie.

    The farmers are anti-American beef import because the average price of beef in Korea is about $10.00 for a 100 grams. Why would they want American beef flooding the market that is ten times less? If anything, Koreans ought to worry about the food they eat. The cows spend their lives in a pin slightly bigger than they are. The pins are filthy and would never be allowed in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    How about making the regional nations take responsibility for their own security...for starters.
    That may have been a marginally reasonable request in the 1980's and 1990's... but the day the Norks tested a nuclear weapon it became our problem as the "region" just expanded to a global one. They can now directly threaten us and our interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    These protests are orchestrated by a far left, anti-American mindset that is based on ignorance and extreme nationalism. The Koreans are much in love with all things Korean. This group sets up confrontations with American soldiers and videos the results. The cropped version gets played on Korean TV showin the Big, mean Miguk abusing the poor, meek, mild Korean.

    Koreans are anti-American beef not because of a real Mad cow disease but a manufacured one. The internet was flooded with spam and propaganda and the media was a willing accomplice. Sound familiar? 300,000,000 Americans eat beef and not a single case of mad cow. The Koreas were told that they were more susceptible to getting the disease, and they CHOOSE to believe that lie.

    The farmers are anti-American beef import because the average price of beef in Korea is about $10.00 for a 100 grams. Why would they want American beef flooding the market that is ten times less? If anything, Koreans ought to worry about the food they eat. The cows spend their lives in a pin slightly bigger than they are. The pins are filthy and would never be allowed in the USA.
    The South Korean spend 4 times as much on the military as the North Koreans.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/spending.htm

    Also, each person in the US spends about $2,000 per year per person for military. The South Koreans spend a little over $1,000 each.

    Why should should the US provide military aid to a country when the people don't have the same burden for their own security as the US? Especially when we are running a deficit and have to borrow the money in order to give it to the South Koreans.

    I really don't understand why we have troops in South Korea nowadays.

    Don't you think that the US troops in South Korea could better serve our country protecting the US - Mexico border? For many years the misson of the 4/7th Cav was to protect the border. Now they are in Korea. Don't you think we should send them back to our own DMZ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    Don't you think that the US troops in South Korea could better serve our country protecting the US - Mexico border? For many years the misson of the 4/7th Cav was to protect the border. Now they are in Korea. Don't you think we should send them back to our own DMZ?
    Considering we pulled out the National Guard from our border, I think that's a pipe dream.

    Maybe once we get a government that cares about protecting our borders, we can discuss it. Until then, it's not a ripe issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinejcksn View Post
    What a suprise....Bush the magic Globalist. I just heard Jerry Doyle talking about this on his radio show...this is flat out disgusting. 2002, they were part of the Axis of Evil, suddenly they're not so bad?
    Legacy. That’s the point here. Like chumming up with intense publicly declared interest in the Israeli - Palestinian peace process, after seven years of ignorance. Transparent and childish. He just wants to look good on the way out. Hasn’t come to grasps with the reality that any one of us can call up every morsel of his failures for two terms right here on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full-Auto View Post
    That may have been a marginally reasonable request in the 1980's and 1990's... but the day the Norks tested a nuclear weapon it became our problem as the "region" just expanded to a global one. They can now directly threaten us and our interests.
    I don't disagree that Nukes change the game...but we balanced a far more dangerous nuclear threat in the Soviets. Even if we take the worst case scenario of the N.K attacking he S.K ... the South would kick there ass in a conventional war.
    And just if...and it's a big if...... the S.K. lost, and the peninsula were unified under communism....then that would no more affect us than when the worst case scenario happened in 1974 in Vietnam. The world still went on. Let the despots starve themselves into oblivion.
    And besides..before either would allow themselves to be occupied they would both use their nuclear weapons. There is no reason to believe the standoff won't continue without U.S. troops present.

    I'm not really sure I believe the Korean peninsula has much interest value (meaning resources) to the U.S. beyond half of it being a liberal democracy.

    My point is that we underestimate the S.K. and Japanese ability to take control of their destiny in the region. And let's not forget the Russians haven't hibranated from the world stage. The security of that region is in their interests as well. IMO...They all can very much handle the Koreans. We give ourselves way too much credit that everybody needs us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    I don't disagree that Nukes change the game...but we balanced a far more dangerous nuclear threat in the Soviets. Even if we take the worst case scenario of the N.K attacking he S.K ... the South would kick there ass in a conventional war.
    We balanced the Soviets by fortifying our presence in Europe. And conventional war might not happen, N.K. has nukles, remember? And they also have military aid from China.

    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    And just if...and it's a big if...... the S.K. lost, and the peninsula were unified under communism....then that would no more affect us than when the worst case scenario happened in 1974 in Vietnam. The world still went on. Let the despots starve themselves into oblivion.
    And besides..before either would allow themselves to be occupied they would both use their nuclear weapons. There is no reason to believe the standoff won't continue without U.S. troops present.
    South Korea doesn't have nuclear weapons. They certainly have the knowledge and technology, but don't have nuclear weapons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    I'm not really sure I believe the Korean peninsula has much interest value (meaning resources) to the U.S. beyond half of it being a liberal democracy.
    So you favor support for Israel and troops in Iraq to protect our strategic resource interests in the Middle East?

    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    My point is that we underestimate the S.K. and Japanese ability to take control of their destiny in the region. And let's not forget the Russians haven't hibranated from the world stage. The security of that region is in their interests as well. IMO...They all can very much handle the Koreans. We give ourselves way too much credit that everybody needs us.
    With the current trend in Russian politics, I wouldn't feel comfortable betting one way or the other on which side Russia would support in another Korean war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biccat View Post
    We balanced the Soviets by fortifying our presence in Europe. And conventional war might not happen, N.K. has nukles, remember? And they also have military aid from China.


    South Korea doesn't have nuclear weapons. They certainly have the knowledge and technology, but don't have nuclear weapons.


    So you favor support for Israel and troops in Iraq to protect our strategic resource interests in the Middle East?


    With the current trend in Russian politics, I wouldn't feel comfortable betting one way or the other on which side Russia would support in another Korean war.
    In 1950 it was in our interest to stop the Sino-Soviet expansion in that part of the world.

    Now that the Cold War is over then I don't think we have the security need anymore.

    I think by the 1980s the South Koreans were able to handle their own defense without American troops being garrisoned in the country. It was probably that way in the 1970s. I saw the South Koreans kicking ass in Vietnam.

    We probably should have removed all American troops by the 1990s.

    We can be allies with South Korea and help them out if they get in trouble but I see no reason why we need thousands of American combat troops in South Korea. Especially nowadays seeing the dismayed condition of readiness in the North Korean forces.

    I certainly don’t see any massive arming of the North Koreans by the Soviets or Chinese like it was in 1950.

    Like Cuba North Korea has been abandoned by the International Communists. Not much of a threat to the US. Let us use our money elsewhere.
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