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  1. #1 Unilateral Air Strike - Target Iran 
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    Israel is seriously considering taking unilateral (without assistance) military action in a last ditch effort to prevent Persia from acquiring nuclear weapons. Time is short for Israel in taking such action not simply due to breakthroughs in their nuclear power program but also in Iran's negotiations with Moscow in obtaining state of the art air defense systems as well as an expansion of choice locations in the construction of more nuclear facilities.

    The report: "Preventing a Cascade of Instability" published by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) argues that international sanctions against Iran need to be intensified urgently simply for the sake of effectiveness when the Obama Administration plans to talk with Teheran. Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) a member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and Congressman Gary Ackerman (D-NY), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee on the Middle East had both signed the report.

    Israel; however, shows no interest in becoming part of America's nuclear umbrella, even though more Gulf Region countries desire further reassurances on this front. A declared United States guarantee would clarify a scenario of ambiguity that may already benefit Israel, but many Israelis feel that a declared U.S. guarantee could cost them by circumventing Israel's freedom to taking action against such existential dangers.

    Former United States Ambassador Nancy Soderberg, one of WINEPS task force members states that Israel is very serious about acting out alone about a nuclear armed Iran. She believes Israel would step up its time table if Russia would make good on its pledge to supply Iran with the S-300 surface to air missile system. Should the deal of delivering the S-300 go through as proposed, the WINEP report does recommend that Israel be supplied with state of the art fighters so that it may maintain its military edge in the region.

    Ms. Soderberg stated the purpose of the WINEP report was to come up with strategies where neither the United States nor Israel got to a point of launching military action.



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    this could get interesting in a hurry...WW3 anyone? served with your choice of radioactive camel, or sand :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorwinK View Post
    this could get interesting in a hurry...WW3 anyone? served with your choice of radioactive camel, or sand :D
    My dad was over in Desert Storm assigned to an A-10 unit out of England AFB (The Flying Tigers at the time). He brought home some videos of their missions. One of them that I can recall pretty well was an A-10 opening up on a building. There where a couple of camels tied to it. When the pass was done, all that was left was rubble and camel chunks laced with some depleted uranium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danmoran View Post
    ...The report: "Preventing a Cascade of Instability" published by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) argues that international sanctions against Iran need to be intensified urgently simply for the sake of effectiveness when the Obama Administration plans to talk with Teheran.
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    Ms. Soderberg stated the purpose of the WINEP report was to come up with strategies where neither the United States nor Israel got to a point of launching military action.
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    How would sanctions work, exactly, when Iran exports oil to China and western Europe and uses the money on its nuclear program while impoverising its citizens in the name of Islam? For that matter, would economic sanctions have worked against Hitler? Did they work against Stalin? North Koreans are starving, but Kim Jong Il is still spending money on nuclear missiles and cognac. Dictators who want to expand their lunatic ideologies don't care about whether or not their own people suffer. That suffering just gives them more leverage over them. Israel, unlike the corrupt nations that are willing to do business with monsters, doesn't have the luxury of being outside of missile range of Iran, and knows that they have no choice but to fight.

    Wonder which side Gator will be on?
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    this could get interesting in a hurry...WW3 anyone? served with your choice of radioactive camel, or sand :D
    It'll be camel under glass, actually.
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    Wonder which side Gator will be on?
    Begging the Major's pardon, but that's sorta a given.:D

    (Bloody officers, always needing someone to hold their hands...sheesh I dont know....)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorwinK View Post
    this could get interesting in a hurry...WW3 anyone? served with your choice of radioactive camel, or sand :D
    Are you for real. do you think for a second the western world would go to war over Iran. Most moderate Arab states would just do lip service over the strike. Saudia Arabia and others would secretly love to see Iran brought down a notch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorsedriver View Post
    Are you for real. do you think for a second the western world would go to war over Iran. Most moderate Arab states would just do lip service over the strike. Saudia Arabia and others would secretly love to see Iran brought down a notch.
    It could go either way...its not a big secret over there that Israel isn't on the regions 'A' list, would not surprise me if the Arab world responded militarily to an air strike...then again they may do exactly what you said and just pay it lip service. Wait and see I suppose


    and FYI...the WW3 comment was sarcasm, thanks for being observant.
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    Israel's got to do what they have to do to protect themselves. They are our ally-we don't have to assist in the operation, but we should back them if they do succeed in taking out Iran's nuclear program.

    I'd rather see the Iranian people rise up and get rid of the mullahs. Most of them want to be rid of the religious dictatorship, we just need to find the right way to encourage that. If we could get the russians on our side to do so, it could happen. But who can trust the russians under Putin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    Begging the Major's pardon, but that's sorta a given.:D
    (Bloody officers, always needing someone to hold their hands...sheesh I dont know....)
    I stand corrected. Still, Gator isn't fond of Iran, either, and they've been killing Americans for decades.
    Quote Originally Posted by CorwinK View Post
    It could go either way...its not a big secret over there that Israel isn't on the regions 'A' list, would not surprise me if the Arab world responded militarily to an air strike...then again they may do exactly what you said and just pay it lip service. Wait and see I suppose
    and FYI...the WW3 comment was sarcasm, thanks for being observant.
    Actually, you were pretty close. Let's say that Israel does strike Iran. The Iranians won't just sit there, they'll retaliate. If their nukes aren't ready, then they'll do it through Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as through Syria, which depends on Iran for oil and just about everything else, and they do have missiles with conventional warheads. That gives you a conventional Mideast war in which the EU-nichs will be tripping over themselves to attack Israel, verbally, at least. In the ensuing hatefest, imagine that Pakistan's moderate government is pressured by the radicals to respond to the attack on a Moslem nation with its own nuclear arsenal. The government refuses and is toppled. Now you have a radical Islamist state with nukes, and India begins to get more than a little worried. They go on alert, which puts China on alert. Now, the Chinese position gives Putin cause for concern, so he puts his nuclear forces on alert, which puts NATO into a conflicted position, since they don't have anywhere near as many US forces garrisoned and will have to consider defending themselves for a change. The last time that western Europe faced that choice was 1939, and you saw how well that worked. Oh, and of course, those missile defenses, which might have given everyone involved a moment's pause, never went up because they were considered "provacative" to dictators. The world will be a tinderbox, and any mistake could prove to be the spark. Now, into this, who does the administration have at the helm in terms of diplomacy? Hillary Clinton. Of course, other administrations could send the Vice President if the Secretary of State wasn't up to the task, which brings us to Joe Biden.

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    Israel's got to do what they have to do to protect themselves. They are our ally-we don't have to assist in the operation, but we should back them if they do succeed in taking out Iran's nuclear program.

    I'd rather see the Iranian people rise up and get rid of the mullahs. Most of them want to be rid of the religious dictatorship, we just need to find the right way to encourage that. If we could get the russians on our side to do so, it could happen. But who can trust the russians under Putin?
    The last thing that the Russians want is a popular revolution on their border. The last one was 1989 and it turned them back into a third world country. They'll prop up the mullahs for no other reason than that. We should be providing as much assistance to the anti-government movement in Iran as we can. We're in a race to topple the mullahs before they can instigate armageddon.
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    I hope Israel nukes Iran into the stone age.. Oh, wait... That was stupid... A nuclear strike on Iran would likely do tens of dollars of damage! Isreal would have to deal with the wafting stench of burning piss-stained sheets for a while, but I think it would all work out...
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