#1 Russian strategic bombers could use Cuba airfields03-14-2009, 10:31 PM
MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russia expressed interest in using Cuban airfields during patrol missions of its strategic bombers, Russia's Interfax news agency reported
"There are four or five airfields in Cuba with 4,000-meter-long runways, which absolutely suit us," Maj. Gen. Anatoly Zhikharev told Interfax.
Zhikharev, who is the chief of staff of the Russian Air Force's long-range aviation, said, "If the two chiefs of state display such a political will, we are ready to fly there."
Zhikharev also told Interfax that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has offered a military airfield on La Orchila island as a temporary base for Russian strategic bombers.
"If a relevant political decision is made, this is possible," he said, according to Interfax. Zhikharev said he visited La Orchila in 2008 and can confirm that with minor reconstruction, the airfield owned by a local naval base can accept fully-loaded Russian strategic bombers.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ba.bombers/?icStand up for what is right, even if you have to stand alone.
03-14-2009, 10:31 PM
It seems like we've been down this road once before. Difference is today - we have a spinless unprincipled democrat in the whitehouse.Stand up for what is right, even if you have to stand alone.
03-15-2009, 02:35 AM
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It's just Russia flexing their muscles. Russia has been backed into a corner: their military today is little more than corroding Soviet relics, their sphere of influence has been eroded (some have joined the EU; some have lost corrupt, pro-Moscow leaders to pro-Western leaders, two...both bordering Russia...are trying to join NATO), their leaders still hold a somewhat Cold-War-era mentality (all the more reason they're not happy for loosing their sphere of influence), and finally they are too prideful to accept their grossly diminished power & influence.
If you felt backed into a corner like them, what would you do? Make friends with socialist states to piss off your arch-rival (Venezuela, Iran, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Cuba, and more), try to show you still have a navy by (trying to) send your navy's flagship around the world visiting places close/important to your arch-rival (Cuba, Venezuela, the Panama Canal), infusing cash & weapons in anti-Western states/rebellious regions(Iran, Central Asia, Venezuela, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Trans-dneister, and more...remember their support of pro-Moscow South Ossetia over pro-Western Georgia in last summer's war?), use gas/oil as a noose to tie up Western/pro-Western countries (pretty much all of the EU, & especially NATO-membership-seeking Ukraine), and finally try to show your Soviet relics still operate and can pose a "threat"(so-to-say) by trying to show-off to your arch-rival (open air & naval bases in Venezuela & Cuba, fly bomber missions near US airspace to provoke us, fly a bomber over US aircraft carrier).
While I certainly don't think the Ruskies are no threat, you shouldn't feel like this is a great threat (if you still have a Cold War mentality, go ahead and think what you'd like). We've been working to get Ukraine (which is about 40% ethnic Russian and hosts a MAJOR Russian naval base) and Georgia into NATO and have been trying to garner influence in many other former Soviet nations , it is only a natural reaction that Russia would try to do the same to us.
Edit: According to Russia's state English-language news agency, "Strategic Bombers will Stay Inside Russia"
Last edited by AHeneen; 03-15-2009 at 03:25 AM."Because we're a great nation, our challenges seem complex; it will always be this way. But as long as we remember our first principals and believe in ourselves, the future will always be ours." -Reagan
03-15-2009, 06:40 PM
Since China may call in the "note" on the U.S. They have suceeded in "giving us the rope to hang us with".
So why would Russia not move back in to Cuba? I mean what world power is there to stop them?
How long till our country, the United States breaks apart anyway? Two language countrys have little in survival rates going for them, along wiith the other sale-outs that have been done over the last 80 years."When governments boot is on your throat, whether it is the left boot or the right boot is of little consequence." Gary Lloyd
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03-15-2009, 07:39 PMGun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound - Unknown
The problem is Empty People, Not Loaded Guns - Linda Schrock Taylor
03-15-2009, 10:15 PM
03-16-2009, 08:00 PM
Who cares what Russia does to it's neighbors. You make it sound as if it's 1986. This is not the USSR, regardless peoples delusions. There is a fraction if any of the threat.
You obviosly have no ability about you to understand what it means to have every nation on your border making security treaties with a stronger rival. Taking a cautionary approach with Russia is prudent. "Poking the Bear" is something only the ignorant recommend.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5421Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound - Unknown
The problem is Empty People, Not Loaded Guns - Linda Schrock Taylor
03-16-2009, 08:06 PM
Ah isolationists. The world looks so much simpler when your head is up your own ass . . . .Stand up for what is right, even if you have to stand alone.
03-16-2009, 09:17 PM
And yet, things that are far away can and do hurt us. Europe may seem far away, but Russia's deals with Iran have security implications for us that you continually refuse to see. A nuclear-armed Iran will seek to spread its revolutionary jihad to the infidel west, and while it may not seem like our fight right now, it certainly will be after Europe falls. The US hasn't done a thing to Venezuela, but Hugo Chavez has decided that villifying us is the best way to consolidate power and discredit his opposition, or maybe he really believes that we care what he does within his borders, but either way, he is exporting his revolution to the rest of South America, and while you may not think that is aid to FARC in Colombia affects us, the drug trade that goes up through Central America is destabilizing Mexico and spilling over into our borders, and Russia is Chavez's main supplier of arms. Why are they doing that if they're intent is solely to bully their neighbors?
What you don't grasp is that Russia, like many nations, is fundamentally unstable, and that despite the sudden influx of money for energy exports, it is in a downward spiral. Demographically, its population is shrinking, its infrastructure is crumbling and the elites are more concerned with lining their own pockets and stifling opposition than they are with governing. Strong, confident nations on an upward path aren't a threat to us, but formerly strong nations in decline tend to lash out and strike at anything around them as they implode, especially nations that are fueled by mythical belief that their failures were caused by external forces, rather than their own poor choices. Russia, like the Middle East oil states, is like Spain in the nineteenth century, a weak power whose vast wealth disguises the weakness, and while it can rattle its sabres locally, its influence in the world is waning and they know it.
NATO's mission, in the short term, was to contain Soviet communism. In the long term, it was to maintain European stability and prevent future wars on the continent. That mission remains valid, and the best way to accomplish it is to take in the Russian border states that seek to avoid returning to Russia's domination, while also combining those elements in Europe that seek to avoid Islamic domination and strengthening them against that threat, which is a far greater danger to us. Otherwise, I see NATO collapsing in a few years, not because of Russia, but because the increasing Islamic populations of European member states will make defense cooperation with the US unworkable. We can maintain defense agreements with a German Federal Republic, but not with an Islamic Republic of Germany that sees itself as a strategic partner with nuclear-armed Iran and Pakistan against the infidel. That's the future that we have to avoid, unless you're willing to see the US standing alone against a global caliphate.
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