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03-18-2009, 06:00 PM
Interesting conversation, I'm enjoying it. You know, I don't necessarily hate Richard Dawkins; the guy seems like a very inteligent person. I just hate the snide, dickhead attitude he exudes. If he presented his arguements without the arrogance I think a lot more people might be willing to listen to him objectively. Thats an issue I notice with many Athiests; I personally believe in a Christian God but never would shove my belief down someone's throat but the Athiests I know don't give the same option most of the time, it's a sort of arrogant, talking down, snippy attitude which I don't understand."Don't vote. It only encourages the bastards." -PJ O'Roarke
03-18-2009, 06:50 PMIt is only upon careful observation, with a magnifying glass, on a sunny day, that one comes to realize how often ants burst into flames.
03-19-2009, 07:16 AM
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03-19-2009, 07:28 AM
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03-19-2009, 07:53 AM
Now to complicate the matter, from my theist world view nothing is random and the outcomes are are understood bythe Creator beforehand. When we use the word chance what we really mean is that we don't know enough about the initial conditions of a series of causes and effects to understand the outcome.
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.C. S. Lewis
03-19-2009, 10:26 AMIt is only upon careful observation, with a magnifying glass, on a sunny day, that one comes to realize how often ants burst into flames.
03-20-2009, 02:53 PM
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As far as we know, there is no such thing as 'random' in the general chaotic sense that we usually think in laymens terms.
We could talk for pages on the nature of 'randomness', but it generally means is that something is simply outside the limits of our computational capacity... so with that in mind, how on earth do you conclude that if something is outside the limits of our computational capacity, that it must be meaningless?
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