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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyelids View Post
    I'd comment but I know one of you winners are just going to say something dumb about me being retarded or something.

    Depends on your comment. Actually agreed with you on something the other day. If it just another one of your poor me, I'm black, but the Messiah Obama is coming to save me, don't bother.
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    I really had to read it a few times to figure out what you were saying. It sort of diluted the "clever" point you were trying to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyelids View Post
    I'd comment but I know one of you winners are just going to say something dumb about me being retarded or something.
    Yes, but then you'd misconstrue it into thinking we are in favor of racially based eugenics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    I really had to read it a few times to figure out what you were saying. It sort of diluted the "clever" point you were trying to make.

    Fair enough. Maybe since I knew to whom I was referring, one missing letter didn't mean much. Advantage of being the writer vs. the reader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YupItsMe View Post
    Fair enough. Maybe since I knew to whom I was referring, one missing letter didn't mean much. Advantage of being the writer vs. the reader.
    You do raise an interesting point, though. My personal opinion is that abortion will not be outlawed wholesale in this country, and will never be outlawed for pregnancies with medical problems. It might be brave and noble for a family to have a child with handicaps, but I think the mindset has really changed on whether you can force people to take that on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biccat View Post
    Yes, but then you'd misconstrue it into thinking we are in favor of racially based eugenics.

    My grandpa told me once that he thought abortion should only be illegal for white people. I love grandpa, but....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LogansPapa View Post
    If you feel that strongly about abortion and the disbanding of a woman’s right to control her bodily functions - then legislate these places out of existence. If you’re not hammering your local, state and federal representatives to do so - you being hypocritical. Personally, as an investor, I’ll take great pleasure into funding vacation clinics in the Carribian and Mexico to facilitate women of means right to chose - after you sucessfully closed our domestic options down.

    Remember, in the end, the American taxpayer(via welfare) will pick up the tab for the mothers that don’t have the where withal to take those trips South.
    No one here has a problem with women controlling their bodily functions. She can do anything she wants with her own body...until her "choice" involves the body of a second human being. Once there are more than one, it's only fair to ask the second one what his/her choice would be. Of course, that'll take a few years, but we have all the time in the world.

    Oh, and as a mother of 5 who would never have had the money to "take a trip South," none of my children were raised on tax money. You're wrong twice.(in this post...I'm sure there are many others...)
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    In actual dollars, President Obama’s $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion (held by President George W. Bush) in deficit spending for an entire presidency. It’s no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years.

    Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    Then you're in luck. There are fewer of them these days, since antenatal testing has been available.
    No, there are no fewer of them. There are merely a lot more dying at a much younger age since antenatal testing has been available...along with quite a few perfectly normal babies who failed their test for some other reason.
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    In actual dollars, President Obama’s $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion (held by President George W. Bush) in deficit spending for an entire presidency. It’s no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years.

    Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    I hear they eat them afterwards.

    Straight from the pits of hell they are, just like all liberals!!
    That's silly! Why would they eat them when they can sell them?



    http://www.ppatp.org/FetalTissue.htm
    A woman's choice to donate to medical research tissue that she has aborted begins and ends with her. Federal and state laws have been specifically written to ensure that her choice to donate tissue from her abortion to medical research is made in an informed and ethical manner. First, she is legally required to give her written consent to have an abortion. Only after she has consented to have an abortion can she provide the necessary written consent to donate the fetal tissue. She cannot be paid for the donation. She cannot know or designate the recipient (USCA, 1988; USCA, 1993).

    Knowing she can donate her aborted fetus to potentially lifesaving medical research may help a woman turn an unintended pregnancy about which she may feel a sense of loss into a social good. The choice to donate fetal tissue often gives solace to women who may need to end their pregnancies (Anderson et al., 1994; Martin, 1993).
    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp...19991018a.html

    Abortion providers are making money on the sale of fetal tissue by charging "site fees" to wholesalers who harvest the material and market it to researchers, thus circumventing federal laws, a Texas-based pro-life group alleges.

    Life Dynamics of Denton, Texas, recently released a 64-page document that contains numerous invoices and price guides for the remains of aborted babies which they claim are being shipped to researchers working for universities, pharmaceutical companies and government agencies.

    While it is against federal law to sell human tissue and body parts, clinics "donate" the material through wholesalers, who are charged "site fees" for the "processing" of intact organs, Life Dynamics said.

    Calls by CNSNews.com to Planned Parenthood headquarters in News York, whose abortion clinics Life Dynamics said were the major financial benefactors in the sale of fetal tissue, were not returned.
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    Fetal Tissue Research Raises Disturbing Questions
    By Paul Ranalli

    (Dr. Paul Ranalli is a pro-life neurologist in the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Toronto.)

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    On the subject of the biomedical use of human fetal tissue, this is an important question to ponder. For alongside the promise of fetal-tissue research there are uncomfortable realities. As recent ghoulish news reports have revealed, medical researchers at universities in British Columbia, Nebraska, Colorado and likely other institutions do not simply order “fetal tissue” from providers—they order leg bones, livers, spleens, whole eyes and other organs.

    And despite admonishment from the Canadian Royal Commission on New Reproductive Technologies and a U.S. congressional prohibition against a money-making marketplace for fetal tissue, there are clear indications that just such a marketplace has developed; human fetal parts are being sold for a profit. “In a civilized society there are things that should not be for sale,” Andrew Kimbrell, author of The Human Body Shop, said recently. “But right now we are in an ethical free fall.”

    The most direct clinical application of human fetal tissue has been the decade-long experience in transplanting fetal brain tissue into the brains of patients with Parkinson’s disease. Herein lies a tale of desperate hope, moral anguish, initial scientific and public enthusiasm and ultimate though still strongly denied—failure. Parkinson’s disease is a progressive, degenerative brain disorder characterized chiefly by a loss of motor control, involuntary tremor, muscle rigidity, slowness of movement and problems with balance and walking. The exact cause of Parkinson’s disease is unknown, but we do know it is associated with a decline in the production of the brain chemical dopamine. In the early to moderate stages of the disease, neurologists have a fair degree of success treating patients with a variety of medications that either boost dopamine synthesis, or directly stimulate dopamine receptors in key deep brain structures. After a number of years, however, the effectiveness of these drugs wears off, or is accompanied by troubling side effects.

    A search for novel therapies has led to a variety of experimental brain surgery procedures. The theory behind fetal transplantation is that dopamine-producing cells extracted from the brains of several aborted fetuses can be injected deep into critical brain regions of the recipient Parkinson’s disease patient, hopefully to take root and begin to produce the needed dopamine. However, a series of limited, uncontrolled case reports provided little evidence of real success, despite tremendous hype that continued to capture the public imagination.
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    In actual dollars, President Obama’s $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion (held by President George W. Bush) in deficit spending for an entire presidency. It’s no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years.

    Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    My grandpa told me once that he thought abortion should only be illegal for white people. I love grandpa, but....
    ....but he's no Constitutional law expert. Is that how you were going to end the sentence? :)
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