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    At The U.N., 'Battlestar' Troops Talk Ethics Of War

    by Lara Pellegrinelli


    All Things Considered, March 20, 2009 · Over the past five years on television, there's been a rigorous, messy, emotional exploration of important questions facing our country and the world — questions about torture, religious fundamentalism, resistance and genocide.

    We're not talking about Frontline. Or Nightline. This is Battlestar Galactica, the SciFi channel's brooding, often brutal re-imagining of the cheesy '70s-vintage series.

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    To mark the show's finale, its fans at the United Nations — people whose nonfictional jobs involve wrestling with similar issues day in and day out — invited the cast and producers to visit the U.N. for a two-hour panel discussion and talk-back.

    On Tuesday, some 500 people took seats in the chamber, a stiff, formal space with miles of dull, blonde wood. (Delegates have come from some exotic-sounding, faraway places to the U.N. building in Manhattan, but it was probably the first time they were there representing other planets.)

    Whoopi Goldberg, a UNICEF ambassador as well as an Oscar-winning actor, served as the panel's moderator. U.N. representatives joined actors Edward James Olmos, who played the commander of the show's title warship, and Mary McDonnell, who starred as President Laura Roslin, his civilian superior. Ron Moore and fellow BSG executive producer David Eick also sat on the panel.

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    SERIOUSLY! WTF!?? Being on a TV show makes you qualified to speak on war??? I mean don't get me wrong - but the egotism of hollywood makes me wanna PUKE!:mad::mad::mad:
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    SERIOUSLY! WTF!?? Being on a TV show makes you qualified to speak on war??? I mean don't get me wrong - but the egotism of hollywood makes me wanna PUKE!:mad::mad::mad:
    The values and stances taken by the characters in Battlestar Galactica, the viewa of the actors who played them and the views of creator Ron Moore are a lot more conservative than who you would expect to show up at the UN.

    Battlestar Galactica during it's run mirrored alot of real world issues and always took the conservative side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy View Post
    The values and stances taken by the characters in Battlestar Galactica, the viewa of the actors who played them and the views of creator Ron Moore are a lot more conservative than who you would expect to show up at the UN.

    Battlestar Galactica during it's run mirrored alot of real world issues and always took the conservative side.
    Expect more from the liberal media especially in light of Obamas' anti Capitalism and pro socialistic actions.They will go 'full bore' on our patriotic duty to obey the 'one' in all things.The UN has a vested interest in supporting Obasma's agenda and will also propagandize their messages into support for these White House Idiots !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy View Post
    The values and stances taken by the characters in Battlestar Galactica, the viewa of the actors who played them and the views of creator Ron Moore are a lot more conservative than who you would expect to show up at the UN.

    Battlestar Galactica during it's run mirrored alot of real world issues and always took the conservative side.
    Yes but none of that makes them experts on the issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Yes but none of that makes them experts on the issues.
    I would rather have non-experts with Conservatives like Edward James Olmos and Richard Hatch before the UN than idiots like Sean Penn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy View Post
    I would rather have non-experts with Conservatives like Edward James Olmos and Richard Hatch before the UN than idiots like Sean Penn.
    "stars" should not be invited to address people like they are experts PERIOD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    "stars" should not be invited to address people like they are experts PERIOD.
    This has been an ongoing trend. Remember when they had the farm aid hearings and Jessica Lange addressed congress? It's a symptom of our culture's inability to separate fantasy from reality and the subsequent elevation of fantasy over reality, since fantasy is always more attractive. Unfortunately, reality will not be denied and has a habit of intruding on fantasy at the most inopportune times. 9/11 was a perfect example of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    "stars" should not be invited to address people like they are experts PERIOD.

    It depends on the star and the issue. Jenny McCarthy, who I never found to be very funny, is a great spokeswoman for autism, as she has a child who has been diagnosed with it. If the issue is something that has had profound impact on the star's life, then that issue has a face for the public to recognize, and maybe send some donations toward charities working on the cause in question.

    Danny Kaye and Audrey Hepburn were both great ambassadors through the United Nations, in their times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    It depends on the star and the issue. Jenny McCarthy, who I never found to be very funny, is a great spokeswoman for autism, as she has a child who has been diagnosed with it. If the issue is something that has had profound impact on the star's life, then that issue has a face for the public to recognize, and maybe send some donations toward charities working on the cause in question.
    Jenny McCarthy isn't speaking as a star, but as an expert. She didn't play the mother of a child with autism in a movie, she actually has a child with autism and has written a book on the subject, which gives her real insights into the issues. Jessica Lange played a farmer in a movie, but has never actually farmed anything, therefore she was unqualified to address congress on the issues of farming. George Clooney's role as a TV doctor doesn't qualify him to address health care reform. Martin Sheen's role as president doesn't mean that he understands the issues confronting the president. Sean Penn's performance as a mentally retarded man doesn't mean... Okay, I'll give you that one, but you get my point. One can no more expect Katie Sackhoff to be able to speak intelligently on war than you should expect Charton Heston to be able to part the Red Sea in real life.
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    Danny Kaye and Audrey Hepburn were both great ambassadors through the United Nations, in their times.
    Yes, but if there's any example of a pretense of action superceding real action, it's the UN. Had either of them been ambassadors to actual nations, or even been the US ambassadors to the UN, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Jeanne Kirpatrick or John Bolton had been I'd concede your point, but being the spokesmodel for an organization that does nothing but talk anyway is just more acting.

    This isn't a diatribe against actors taking positions on issues. Every citizen has the right to speak out, no matter what their position or experience. An actor's lack of insight doesn't disqualify him from having an opinion, however well or ill-informed it may be. What I object to is that we, as a culture, are losing the capacity to distinguish between those who play at being heroes in front of a camera and those are are heroes in real life. We accept the word of actors in areas where they have no expertise and assume that they know what they are talking about because their roles seem to address the experties needed. I'd sooner have the writers on the panel, but even that fails to address the idiocy of this. The world is full of experts on the morality of conflict. There are literally millions of Soldiers who have served in combat who can speak from personal experience. There are heads of state who can discuss the implications of decisions that they have made and the ethical fallout that resulted. There are real victims who can testify to the morality those who exercised power over them during conflict, but given the multitudes of people who can speak with genuine conviction based on experience to this issue, the UN has chosen to let a bunch of actors tell us about war, based on their having pretended to fight a fantasy war against a fantasy enemy in outer space.

    This is frakkin' idiocy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy View Post
    The values and stances taken by the characters in Battlestar Galactica, the viewa of the actors who played them and the views of creator Ron Moore are a lot more conservative than who you would expect to show up at the UN.

    Battlestar Galactica during it's run mirrored alot of real world issues and always took the conservative side.
    Exactly right.

    The text of the referenced NPR article echoes this viewpoint quite well. This is not just another bunch of Hollywood luvvies grandstanding a leftist point of view, far from it.
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