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    Detainee's Harsh Treatment Foiled No Plots
    Waterboarding, Rough Interrogation of Abu Zubaida Produced False Leads, Officials Say

    In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida -- chiefly names of al-Qaeda members and associates -- was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.

    Moreover, within weeks of his capture, U.S. officials had gained evidence that made clear they had misjudged Abu Zubaida. President George W. Bush had publicly described him as "al-Qaeda's chief of operations," and other top officials called him a "trusted associate" of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and a major figure in the planning of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. None of that was accurate, the new evidence showed.
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    Abu Zubaida was not even an official member of al-Qaeda, according to a portrait of the man that emerges from court documents and interviews with current and former intelligence, law enforcement and military sources. Rather, he was a "fixer" for radical Muslim ideologues, and he ended up working directly with al-Qaeda only after Sept. 11 -- and that was because the United States stood ready to invade Afghanistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Detainee's Harsh Treatment Foiled No Plots
    Waterboarding, Rough Interrogation of Abu Zubaida Produced False Leads, Officials Say
    This directly contradicts those that apprehended other terrorists based on the information obatained. The new "American" administration is simply trying to leak information to undermine the practice.


    And yet it is undeniable that with other "participants" it prevented several attacks on the U.S. and helped to capture other 911 big wigs.


    Do you know what else produces false leads??? EYE WITNESSES!!!! THey are OFTEN wrong in their testimony.

    Should we stop questioning them also???
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    Sorry hazelnut, waterboarding worked on Tony Stark in IRON MAN so that's good enough for me. :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Detainee's Harsh Treatment Foiled No Plots
    Waterboarding, Rough Interrogation of Abu Zubaida Produced False Leads, Officials Say
    Abu Zubaida was not even an official member of al-Qaeda, according to a portrait of the man that emerges from court documents and interviews with current and former intelligence, law enforcement and military sources
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    Yeah, he didn't have a membership card, decoder ring or whistle, and he didn't know the secret handshake, either, so there. :p How dense are these guys?
    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaRepub View Post
    Sorry hazelnut, waterboarding worked on Tony Stark in IRON MAN so that's good enough for me. :D
    Yeah, but that was only because he was working with electronics and didn't want to short circuit his armor. I wouldn't have worked at all on Namor, the Sub Mariner. :D
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    I'm thinking about moving this thread to Stupid Liberal Tricks where it seems most of Hazlnut's threads end up. Are there any objections?

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