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  1. #1 What about McShame's treason in 1968? 
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    votesomemore (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 04:33 AM
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    What about McShame's treason in 1968?
    In August of 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.<44> McCain was subjected to repeated beatings and rope bindings, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.<44> After four days, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".<33> He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable,<45> but as he would later write, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_mccain

    I've read here that we aren't supposed to attack his military service. He surrendered his military identity. The acts of treason were expunged, probably due to his father's position. Is that typical? What happened to other prisoners who gave up information.

    I do feel some guilt even writing this. Is it a factor or should I look elsewhere for his failings. I'm afraid that something like this (painting him with shame) could be used against other current military personnel.




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    The poster would have offered his captors sexual favors as soon as they raised their voice.
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    I'd like to see this DUmmie go through what McCain went through. He'd surrender faster than a Frenchan, and that's saying a lot.
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    Are you serious. Have you seen McCain, AN ACTUAL HERO, try to wave. gee wonder why he has problems with raising his arms, OH Yeah, CHARLIE HUNG HIM FOR DAYS BY THEM. What a dumbass everyman can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConJinx View Post
    Are you serious. Have you seen McCain, AN ACTUAL HERO, try to wave. gee wonder why he has problems with raising his arms, OH Yeah, CHARLIE HUNG HIM FOR DAYS BY THEM. What a dumbass everyman can be.

    I think you mean dumbass "Votesomemore"


    Everyman is one of the good guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YupItsMe View Post
    I think you mean dumbass "Votesomemore"


    Everyman is one of the good guys.
    Agreed. Everyman68 may be a democrat, but he is rational and sees the idiocy of the DUmmies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph wiggum View Post
    Agreed. Everyman68 may be a democrat, but he is rational and sees the idiocy of the DUmmies.


    Gotta love the name of the DUmmie that posted. "Votesomemore" because if you're a Democrat, voting once per election is never enough. :(
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    I find it absolutely repugnant that people who would not last a week of what John McCain went through, sit over a keyboard and look to denigrate an individual who could have left the confines of a prison camp with just one small acknowledge and be sent home. John McCain, as well as his fellow captives, deserve nothing but our unconditional support and admiration for what they honorably survived.

    Personally, the Dems had better tread lightly on attacking McCain on his five year imprisonment as a POW. When the actual facts of his confinement are aired again and the brutal treatment McCain and others endured at the hands of the Communists, the contrast of Jane Fonda, the Chicago Seven, and John Kerry are equal game in the War of beliefs.................and William Ayres would make a very nice target of opportunity for examination of actual beliefs and practices on BHO.
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    I just wish that the dems decide to run with this as an issue. They will be buried if they do.
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    After replies such as these:

    trixie (618 posts) Mon Jun-30-08 12:38 AM
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    1. I would pass on that
    cstanleytech (610 posts) Mon Jun-30-08 02:30 AM
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    8. Agreed, all it will do would provide ammo for them to use against the democrats
    The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 12:46 AM
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    4. This story is about as sad & dead end as the Hillary tax return "scandal".
    MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 01:42 AM
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    6. That's not treason
    Raine (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 02:59 AM
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    9. We don't need to drag out shit like this
    Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 04:45 AM
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    10. I don't think there's a person alive that wouldn't crack under torture
    Hell I'd crack at just the threat of it.
    Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 08:12 AM
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    12. Please don't go there.
    Zynx (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 08:16 AM
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    13. If you go there, we lose and lose badly.
    jzodda (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 08:29 AM
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    14. This angers me to read this crap on our forum
    iconicgnom (478 posts) Mon Jun-30-08 09:15 AM
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    15. That isn't treason. It's wrong to hold the military to impossible standards.
    crankychatter (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 09:36 AM
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    16. Succumbing to torture should NOT be called "treason"
    WesDem (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 09:51 AM
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    17. Succumbing to torture is not treason
    We get this:

    wakemeupwhenitsover (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 10:30 AM
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    26. locking at the request of the OP.
    best,
    wakemeupwhenitsover
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    Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-30-08 01:37 AM
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    5. The Forrestal disaster is why he's called "Wet-start McCain."
    Really DUmmy? Maybe you should try reading the book "Sailors To The End" by Gregory A. Freeman. If you did, you would find it was a Zuni rocket that was prematurely fired from an F-4 due to an electrical surge that ripped through his A-4 as he was preparing to take off for a strike on North Vietnam. The main fuel tank was ruptured, spilling it's contents on the flight deck and then ignited by bits of burning rocket propellant. The resulting fire caused the detonation of 9 WW2 era 1000 pound bombs, killing 134 men of USS Forrestal.
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