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    If the founding fathers knew what we would do with the nation, do you think they still would have revolted?


    This is not an Obama attack, this is politics as a whole attack. Why would someone want to fight for something if they knew it would get fucked up anyway? We revolted and won our freedom from England only to turn around just over two hundred years later and emulate them? Why even bother fighting them, why lose so many lives if the end result would be to come full circle? Now we are overtaxed by our own government instead of another, is that really any better?


    I'm not saying the founding fathers did the wrong thing. We are still the greatest nation on the planet, although not as great as we once were or should be. Just an interesting question to me.
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    "Well, posterity, you will never know what it cost us to preserve your freedom. I only hope that you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it."
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    There's your answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    "Well, posterity, you will never know what it cost us to preserve your freedom. I only hope that you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it."
    ~John Adams~

    There's your answer.
    Good answer.:D
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    "Well, posterity, you will never know what it cost us to preserve your freedom. I only hope that you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it."
    ~John Adams~

    There's your answer.
    If that doesn't shame us, I don't know what will. :o
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlmostThere View Post
    If that doesn't shame us, I don't know what will. :o
    I've been told that I have a pretty jaded view of mankind and this statement isn't going to help that impression but, I think that we have become a society that is incapable of shame.

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    The Founding Fathers did their job. We are just not doing our job very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    The Founding Fathers did their job. We are just not doing our job very well.
    Hopefully we can elect a few that will do the right thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel Yell View Post
    If the founding fathers knew what we would do with the nation, do you think they still would have revolted?
    They didn't revolt - they rebelled - but to answer your question - yes. Because they would also know what we did along the way that helped to make the world a better place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph wiggum View Post
    Hopefully we can elect a few that will do the right thing.
    Seriously, what makes you think that by the time that can be done, it will make any difference what they do? You don't think that so much injury can be inflicted that the patient cannot survive no matter what life-saving means are used?

    A representative of the IRS told lawyers for tax-exempt organizations that what they pay their executives is going to receive far more scrutiny in the same way banks and other corporations do who accept gov money. It seems they are taking gov money by being tax-exempt.

    You are far more optimistic than I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlmostThere View Post
    Seriously, what makes you think that by the time that can be done, it will make any difference what they do? You don't think that so much injury can be inflicted that the patient cannot survive no matter what life-saving means are used?

    A representative of the IRS told lawyers for tax-exempt organizations that what they pay their executives is going to receive far more scrutiny in the same way banks and other corporations do who accept gov money. It seems they are taking gov money by being tax-exempt.

    You are far more optimistic than I am.
    do you have a link for that?
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