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  1. #1 Fascism vs. Socialism 
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    It occurs to me that those who call our current leadership "socialist" are missing the big picture. Of the two major economic/political systems to come out of the Great Depression, the response to the current crisis looks more like fascism than socialism. The major difference is that in a socialist state, property is owned by the state. In a fascist state, property is owned by private corporations or individuals, but the economic policies are decided by the state, which then has the power to impose its will on businesses as if it owned them. The advantages of this system for the state are obvious: First, in return for being allowed to remain in business, large companies become donors to the dominant party. They also provide lucrative positions on their boards to those with influence within the party, as well as other perks. Chris Dodd's sweetheart loans and Tom Daschle's wife's employment history are obvious examples of how this works. Second, when the state's economic planning fails to improve economic conditions, instead of being held responsible, the government's bureaucrats can hold a hearing and attack the owners of the companies that followed the bureaucrats' orders, demand that they be fired and then have them replaced with their own cronies. This is what we saw with GM's CEO. Finally, the resulting policies allow government to choose winners and losers among competing firms, guaranteeing that those preferred companies are able to remain standing while their competitors stumble and fall, and the price for that favor is campaign contributions, graft, the aforemention no-show jobs and having huge corporate entities toe the line on government policies that have nothing to do with their bottom line (look at the various diversity advisors that now govern Human Resources departments at most large corporations, and picture the Soviet Army's parallel structure of commissars and commanders at each level). This is how Sun Microsystems was able to get the Clinton Justice Department to go after their competitor, Microsoft.

    If we're going to criticize the economic policy of our government, we ought to use the right terminology. Hope, change and fascism are the watchwords of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    If we're going to criticize the economic policy of our government, we ought to use the right terminology. Hope, change and fascism are the watchwords of the day.
    Good to see that someone else recognizes fascism when they see it.
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    Fascism is what occurs after people learn that Socialism has failed. Not sure who said that.

    It is collective control of resources plain and simple with the State as it's godhead. We can quibble about the details (corporations own this....the State runs that....) but it's all the same thing. It's communism, Nazism, etc....

    It's a Hayek concept and it's one of the reasons why I find him brilliant. He dispelled the myth long ago that Communism/Nazism is a right/left thing. It's all of the left.

    economic policies are decided by the state
    business, large companies become donors to the dominant party
    It may be "packaged" a bit differently under the big "O"...but I don't see much diffence from the last 15 years.
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    To properly be fascist - there need to be a cult of state. With Barry - we don't have that. As always with the left we have a cult of personality. So while I will grant that we are leaning towards fascism - it's not fascism. That being said - since Nazism was not proper fascism either and was centered on a cult of personality . . . . . I think there is a closer comparison with Nazism than with proper fascism.
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    Really, when it all comes down to it, it's all the same to the guy with a boot on his neck.

    I tend to agree, though. There's no point in calling a Democrat advocating socialism/fascism/communism a socialist anyway. They probably won't disagree and almost certainly won't be insulted by it.

    I save the accusations of socialism for when the Republicans are in charge. They're used to being called fascists by liberals and can easily ignore it. It's definitely the era of fascism, now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    To properly be fascist - there need to be a cult of state. With Barry - we don't have that. As always with the left we have a cult of personality. So while I will grant that we are leaning towards fascism - it's not fascism. That being said - since Nazism was not proper fascism either and was centered on a cult of personality . . . . . I think there is a closer comparison with Nazism than with proper fascism.
    Of course not. It was National Socialism. There are some parallels in this admin to the 1930's Germany and some to 1970's Cambodia. I predict the formation of some kind of re-education camps. I just wonder who will be substituted for the Jews of Nazi Germany or the professionals of Cambodia.
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    . I just wonder who will be substituted for the Jews of Nazi Germany or the professionals of Cambodia.
    Do you really? Christians are the logical choice. They are to blame for everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDiddyGalt View Post
    Of course not. It was National Socialism. There are some parallels in this admin to the 1930's Germany and some to 1970's Cambodia. I predict the formation of some kind of re-education camps. I just wonder who will be substituted for the Jews of Nazi Germany or the professionals of Cambodia.

    We have had the liberal re-education camps for a while now - they are called public schools and colleges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    To properly be fascist - there need to be a cult of state. With Barry - we don't have that. As always with the left we have a cult of personality. So while I will grant that we are leaning towards fascism - it's not fascism. That being said - since Nazism was not proper fascism either and was centered on a cult of personality . . . . . I think there is a closer comparison with Nazism than with proper fascism.
    The other thing is we may be "leaning", but it didn't just start January 20, 2009.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDiddyGalt View Post
    Of course not. It was National Socialism. There are some parallels in this admin to the 1930's Germany and some to 1970's Cambodia. I predict the formation of some kind of re-education camps. I just wonder who will be substituted for the Jews of Nazi Germany or the professionals of Cambodia.
    Lets get those damn goofy Catholics.They won't even let the 'One' Accept his well deserved Doctorate from Notre Dame !Let's make the Catholics the 'new' Jews and go after them for a change .
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