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    Quote Originally Posted by Carol View Post
    Of course it's not a qualification, and yes it's an opinion.

    The irony is that no one that I know of is stating that McCain is qualified based only on his service record.

    Then the OP states in essence that Clark didn't say anything wrong......didn't use his (McCains) service recond to slam McCain....but if liberals had only shut up they could have used what Clark said to "tear McCain apart."
    Actually this whole thing is a red herring. The real elephant in the living room is Obama's complete lack of ANY qualifications to be running for President. Two years in the Senate, and, before that, part-time member of the Illinois legislature? And lots of "present" votes?

    Even if you take out McCain's military service and POW experience, he STILL is far more qualified than the empty suit chosen by Howie Dean and Donna (gag) Brazille.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    Actually this whole thing is a red herring. The real elephant in the living room is Obama's complete lack of ANY qualifications to be running for President. Two years in the Senate, and, before that, part-time member of the Illinois legislature? And lots of "present" votes?

    Even if you take out McCain's military service and POW experience, he STILL is far more qualified than the empty suit chosen by Howie Dean and Donna (gag) Brazille.
    Bless ya Kiddo, you nailed it! :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetwife View Post
    Mccain did not get behind the GI bill. At all. What part of foolish is that?
    McCain Responds to Obama on Veterans Bill


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    "It is typical, but no less offensive that Senator Obama uses the Senate floor to take cheap shots at an opponent and easy advantage of an issue he has less than zero understanding of. Let me say first in response to Senator Obama, running for President is different than serving as President. The office comes with responsibilities so serious that the occupant can't always take the politically easy route without hurting the country he is sworn to defend. Unlike Senator Obama, my admiration, respect and deep gratitude for America's veterans is something more than a convenient campaign pledge. I think I have earned the right to make that claim."
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    "But I am running for the office of Commander-in-Chief. That is the highest privilege in this country, and it imposes the greatest responsibilities. It would be easier politically for me to have joined Senator Webb in offering his legislation. More importantly, I feel just as he does, that we owe veterans the respect and generosity of a great nation because no matter how generously we show our gratitude it will never compensate them fully for all the sacrifices they have borne on our behalf.

    "Senators Graham, Burr and I have offered legislation that would provide veterans with a substantial increase in educational benefits. The bill we have sponsored would increase monthly education benefits to $1500; eliminate the $1200 enrollment fee; and offer a $1000 annually for books and supplies. Importantly, we would allow veterans to transfer those benefits to their spouses or dependent children or use a part of them to pay down existing student loans. We also increase benefits to the Guard and Reserve, and even more generously to those who serve in the Selected Reserve.
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    "The most important difference between our two approaches is that Senator Webb offers veterans who served one enlistment the same benefits as those offered veterans who have re-enlisted several times. Our bill has a sliding scale that offers generous benefits to all veterans, but increases those benefits according to the veteran's length of service. I think it is important to do that because, otherwise, we will encourage more people to leave the military after they have completed one enlistment. At a time when the United States military is fighting in two wars, and as we finally are beginning the long overdue and very urgent necessity of increasing the size of the Army and Marine Corps, one study estimates that Senator Webb's bill will reduce retention rates by 16%.

    "Most worrying to me, is that by hurting retention we will reduce the numbers of men and women who we train to become the backbone of all the services, the noncommissioned officer. In my life, I have learned more from noncommissioned officers I have known and served with than anyone else outside my family. And in combat, no one is more important to their soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen, and to the officers who command them, than the sergeant and petty officer. They are very hard to replace. Encouraging people not to choose to become noncommissioned officers would hurt the military and our country very badly. As I said, the office of President, which I am seeking, is a great honor, indeed, but it imposes serious responsibilities. How faithfully the President discharges those responsibilities will determine whether he or she deserves the honor. I can only tell you I intend to deserve the honor if I am fo rtunate to receive it, even if it means I must take politically unpopular positions at times and disagree with people for whom I have the highest respect and affection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LogansPapa View Post
    It's strange that Clark's opinion is worth something, yet Murtha's isn't. Odd that.
    Murtha's "opinion" wasn't merely opinion, it was outright slander and false accusation. THAT in itself makes it worth nothing. And, as said above, Clark's opinion is worth nothing in this instance. He has a right to an opinion, but for others to validate it is not required.

    Odd that you're brining up Murtha. Very telling on your part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack57Wms View Post
    Murtha's "opinion" wasn't merely opinion, it was outright slander and false accusation. THAT in itself makes it worth nothing. And, as said above, Clark's opinion is worth nothing in this instance. He has a right to an opinion, but for others to validate it is not required.

    Odd that you're brining up Murtha. Very telling on your part.
    Anyone that turns on a good friend is a louse in my opinion. Clark dumps Hillary to go over to the other side. He is hoping for VP or cabinet post. Heaven help us if Obama is elected and makes this turkey Sect. of Defense.

    Obama's dirty trick of sending Clark to do a hit piece on McCain may backfire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEG View Post
    McCain Responds to Obama on Veterans Bill


    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ama_on_ve.html




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    Wow, VetsWife, that kind of debunks your contention that Sen. McCain wouldn't support our vets with educational benefits. By the way, I'm a disabled vet who got an Engineering degree using the old GI Bill (before I'm accused of not knowing anything about the military or the woes of a veteran). I've always been treated with respect and care when utilizing my veteran's benefits. Yes, I had to wait in line at times. Yes, sometimes the treatments weren't the best or the most appropriate. However, that is no different than what I've seen in the civilian health care system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    Anyone that turns on a good friend is a louse in my opinion. Clark dumps Hillary to go over to the other side. He is hoping for VP or cabinet post. Heaven help us if Obama is elected and makes this turkey Sect. of Defense.

    Obama's dirty trick of sending Clark to do a hit piece on McCain may backfire.

    Very soon Obama will release a statement to the press saying, "This is not the Wesley Clark I knew and believed in ... "

    I'm thinking all chances of Clark getting either the VP nomination or a cabinet appointment have been severely restricted.
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    Actually this whole thing is a red herring. The real elephant in the living room is Obama's complete lack of ANY qualifications to be running for President. Two years in the Senate, and, before that, part-time member of the Illinois legislature? And lots of "present" votes?

    Even if you take out McCain's military service and POW experience, he STILL is far more qualified than the empty suit chosen by Howie Dean and Donna (gag) Brazille.




    What was JFK's experience before he was elected? (1 term i think as Sen..)

    What was Reagens? (screen actors guild...then gov'r)



    I'm no Obama supporter...but I think we walk a fine line when using the "lack of exp." arguement in these discussions...

    TBH I would rather have someone with no exp but great Ideals, and foresight...then a carreer politician with tons of "experience"...
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    lets face facts. both candidates rep and dem, suck. We the people know it. I will probably vote McCain because he is the lesser of 2 weasels. McCain is a hero, no doubt, but his political history is scary. Barry the KING(hussein) Obama has the "hope and change" ideals which are as empty as bowl of air. So what do we do? hack and slash politics, let the blood flow, be it through surrogates or 527's. Let's see someone snap, play the McCain's BOMB IRAN song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemeenie View Post
    What was JFK's experience before he was elected? (1 term i think as Sen..)

    What was Reagens? (screen actors guild...then gov'r)



    I'm no Obama supporter...but I think we walk a fine line when using the "lack of exp." arguement in these discussions...

    TBH I would rather have someone with no exp but great Ideals, and foresight...then a carreer politician with tons of "experience"...
    Ronald Reagan had a ton of experience, President of SAG, two term governor (eight years)of the the largest state in the Union. Couple that with a job as GE spokesman for the better part of the 1950's, and Reagan actually knew the American people a lot better than most politicians. He visited factories and civic clubs , he had long discourses with American workers in small groups on virtually every topic imaginable. He was probably the best trained candidate for the US presidency since Lincoln.
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