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    TracFone Wireless Launches SafeLink Wireless to Aid 1.5 Million Low-Income Households in New York

    Participants Receive Over an Hour of Free Talk Time Monthly and Free Wireless Cell Phone

    NEW YORK--(Business Wire)--

    Today, TracFone Wireless, Inc., America`s leading prepaid cell phone provider announced its launch of SafeLink Wireless in New York. SafeLink Wireless will serve as the company`s distribution of Lifeline - a U.S. government supported program for income eligible households that ensures telephone service is available and affordable for eligible low-income households.

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    I stumbled across this story and blood almost shot out of my eyes. It seems that if you're eligible for Food Stamps, Welfare or other Government Low Income assist programs, you qualify for a "free" cell phone as well.

    Does the cell phone only dial out to potential employers? Is there a function on there that helps your ass find a job? If not, WHY THE F*** do you need a cell phone in the first place?

    I'm so sick of these programs for deadbeats. Even if you work ONE minimum wage job for 40 hours a week, you end up earning $15,080 a year. The poverty level is at 10 grand right now. Man the f*** up and work hard if you want to own things, but get your fu**ing hand out of my pocket stealing my money so you can sit on your ass and watch Judge Judy all day. I've had it. :mad:
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    yeah this has been going on since about obama's inaugaration.

    FWIW, the user only gets soemthing like 42 minutes/month. and its tracfone. have you ever seen their phones? don't get me wrong, its still wrong, but its not like they're getting unlimited minutes on a blackberry from verizon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VWkid06 View Post
    its not like they're getting unlimited minutes on a blackberry from verizon.
    Give it time. I'll bet dollars to donuts they'll start offering cool phones and better minute plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinejcksn View Post
    Give it time. I'll bet dollars to donuts they'll start offering cool phones and better minute plans.
    Bingo! The recipient of the 'free' phone will bitch and moan that there are not enough minutes, the phones suck, no Internet to either place bets or watch porn and presto the magic negro will make sure they all have a blackberry like his with encrypted software so they can communicate without interference from the gov. Your tax money at work!:mad:
    "If every poor man is to come here and start requesting money for all his children, the applicants will never be satisfied and the nation's finances will collapse." Emperor Tiberius: Tacitus:Annals




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    Quote Originally Posted by marinejcksn View Post
    Does the cell phone only dial out to potential employers? Is there a function on there that helps your ass find a job? If not, WHY THE F*** do you need a cell phone in the first place?

    I'm so sick of these programs for deadbeats. Even if you work ONE minimum wage job for 40 hours a week, you end up earning $15,080 a year. The poverty level is at 10 grand right now. Man the f*** up and work hard if you want to own things, but get your fu**ing hand out of my pocket stealing my money so you can sit on your ass and watch Judge Judy all day. I've had it. :mad:
    First of all, I don't think you understand the current marking/sales practices of cell providers. No one pays for a cell phone. (unless you have to have the latest and greatest toy). I haven't paid for a cell phone or a satellite dish for years. You pay for the service. Like razors and inkjet printers--they give them away. Then hammer you on the blades and ink cartridges.

    If you read the article (carefully) they only thing they're really getting for free is 68 minutes.


    The SafeLink Wireless service will provide eligible low-income households a free
    cell phone, mobile access to emergency services and free 68 minutes of air time,
    monthly, for one year. The cell phone offers in-demand features: voicemail,
    text, call waiting, international calling to over 60 destinations and caller ID.
    And why do you assume it's 'deadbeats'? Sounds kind of elitist.

    Don't you know someone who has been laid off in the last year through no fault of their own? Are they all lazy deadbeats?

    Providing a cheap cell phone some limited service cost nothing--this sounds like a pretty cost effective way of not allowing people to become a disenfranchised liability. Regular phone service in Manhattan is ridiculously expensive. If you're out of work, you're on your cell to set up interviews. If you can't afford a cell--then you're on your feet.

    People hear 'welfare' and 'government sponsored' and they picture santa clause/robin hood dancing through the ghetto spreading your tax dollars about willy nilly. Have you ever been to an NYC public assistance office? No one's handing anything out, unless you meet the eligibility requirements.

    The economic principle behind a program like this is complicated, but essentially, it costs almost nothing to give some a cell phone and some free service so that they can stay connected with society and hopefully weather the economic storm and eventually get back on their feet. This is cheap compared to what is costs to have police come to your house and arrest someone for trying to rob you. Then send child services to his house to pick up his kids and put them in a foster home. Then put him in jail and feed him. Crime is expensive for everyone.

    On the surface, this sounds like a good program -- IMO.

    Also, if low income families can't afford a phone and therefore can't call emergencies services when their children are in need--that's wrong.
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    "No one pays for a cell phone."

    I've paid for every cell phone I've ever had. I'd rather pay a small fee than "get it for free" and be required to extend my service contract.

    "If you read the article (carefully) they only thing they're really getting for free is 68 minutes."

    That 68 minutes isn't "free", it's paid for with taxpayer money.

    "Don't you know someone who has been laid off in the last year through no fault of their own? Are they all lazy deadbeats?"

    Don't play this "I can't find work" bullcrap. I see Help Wanted signs at stores all over and I live in freakin' Hawaii. Does it suck to work a McJob? Yeah, it does. But if it's what you gotta do to survive, you do it. If you have to work 80 hours a week to pay for all your outrageous bills, then do it. I have.

    "If low income families can't afford a phone and therefore can't call emergencies services when their children are in need--that's wrong."

    Most phone companies offer plans as cheap as 29 bucks a month. I refuse to believe there are millions of people who need the Government to provide something that they can get for less than the cost of a carton of smokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinejcksn View Post
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    I refuse to believe there are millions of people who need the Government to provide something that they can get for less than the cost of a carton of smokes.
    or a couple hits of crack...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    First of all, I don't think you understand the current marking/sales practices of cell providers. No one pays for a cell phone. (unless you have to have the latest and greatest toy). I haven't paid for a cell phone or a satellite dish for years. You pay for the service. Like razors and inkjet printers--they give them away. Then hammer you on the blades and ink cartridges.

    If you read the article (carefully) they only thing they're really getting for free is 68 minutes.
    That's still 68 minutes that the rest of us have to pay for.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    And why do you assume it's 'deadbeats'? Sounds kind of elitist.
    No, the elitist response is to assume that people who aren't working need the largesse of enlightened liberals to get ahead in the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Don't you know someone who has been laid off in the last year through no fault of their own? Are they all lazy deadbeats?
    The people that were laid off in the last year are trying to work. Most of them already have the tools that they need to get back into the job market, and a cheap cell phone won't do a thing for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Providing a cheap cell phone some limited service cost nothing--this sounds like a pretty cost effective way of not allowing people to become a disenfranchised liability. Regular phone service in Manhattan is ridiculously expensive. If you're out of work, you're on your cell to set up interviews. If you can't afford a cell--then you're on your feet.
    If they cost nothing, then they can afford to get them without the help of the welfare system, can't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    People hear 'welfare' and 'government sponsored' and they picture santa clause/robin hood dancing through the ghetto spreading your tax dollars about willy nilly. Have you ever been to an NYC public assistance office? No one's handing anything out, unless you meet the eligibility requirements.
    Which used to be pretty lax until Giuliani tightened the requirements. Before he did that, the city had over 1.1 million people on welfare out of a population of 8 million. Rudy reduced it to 600,000 in a few years by cutting off the benefits and requiring work. Bloomberg seems to have forgotten that lesson.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The economic principle behind a program like this is complicated, but essentially, it costs almost nothing to give some a cell phone and some free service so that they can stay connected with society and hopefully weather the economic storm and eventually get back on their feet. This is cheap compared to what is costs to have police come to your house and arrest someone for trying to rob you. Then send child services to his house to pick up his kids and put them in a foster home. Then put him in jail and feed him. Crime is expensive for everyone.
    Ah, the "root causes" argument, that poverty causes crime. Haven't heard that old chestnut in a while. And naturally, the cure for poverty is a trinket like a cell phone. Of course, most of the worst criminals in NYC already have cell phones. Drug dealers, gang bangers and other assorted thugs have no problem getting cell phones, and it hasn't kept them from committing felonies, so what good do you expect this to do?
    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    On the surface, this sounds like a good program -- IMO.
    And given the esteem in which we hold your opinion, that's another argument against this program.
    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Also, if low income families can't afford a phone and therefore can't call emergencies services when their children are in need--that's wrong.
    Once again, the standard liberal line, "but think of the children!" In fact, there are already programs in place to provide phones for low income families. They get land lines with local service. This is just another example of liberals proving their generosity with other people's money.
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    I could pull a piece of shit cell phone from my drawer right now that hasn't been used in 4 years and, provided it can be charged, dial 911.. That's the only justifiable thing those deadbeats need a cell phone for. Any cell phone will dial 911, whether it has minutes left, or not. They don't need new free cell phones.. There are plenty of people upgrading every day that donate their old cell phones to charity. Let them have those phones with no free minutes and, voila!, you've got a phone for emergencies!!

    Again, the Obots are proving that they don't hold hard working people in very high esteem. They'd rather feel sorry for the person who got too fat to work or had too many kids and now day care would be too expensive to work a minimum wage job... They're all about, "Fairness.." Why should I have a cell phone while others on welfare don't? That's just not fair! (Even though we pay over $100 per month for our family plan..)
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    Is this part of a job assistance program? I could see why it would be useful in a situation like that-the client needs to have reliable communication to talk to prospective employers.


    I never worked in the welfare end of things, but I do know that the former ADC program only paid for a phone if someone in the household had medical conditions that could be deadly if the person was unable to call for assistance. Even then, the program only covered local service.
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