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    There's something the U.S. government doesn't want you to know. And it's come out again in the new Heritage Foundation report on education. It conveys that the general public is increasingly dissatisfied with public schools, with a rising number opting for private education.

    The report explains that during the 2007 and 2008 legislative sessions, 44 states introduced school-choice legislation. And in 2008, choices for private school were enacted into law or expanded in Arizona, Utah, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana and Pennsylvania. Today 14 states and the District of Columbia offer voucher or education tax-credit programs that aid parents with sending their children to private schools. But that may be short-lived.

    Despite the growing public preference for private education, Congress recently canceled the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program, which was created in 2004 to offer students from low-income families in the nation's capital an opportunity to join the voucher educational community. The law provided $14 million in scholarships to help pay for tuition at private schools of their choosing. But no longer.

    Why did Congress nix the program, especially when recent studies showed that students receiving vouchers since the program's inception were academically 18.9 months ahead of their peers? (I read the other day that 100 percent of Thurgood Marshall Academy's charter graduates are accepted to colleges.) And why would Congress phase out a program that costs $7,500 per student annually, compared with the $15,000 it costs in Washington's public schools to educate a child?

    So its cancellation is not a result of costing too much, because it's half the price of public schooling. And it's not because of inferior quality, because the kids enrolled in the program were scoring higher than students in regular schools. There's only one reason Congress canceled it, and it comes down to this: federal control and educational indoctrination.

    Of course, government officials won't admit to a blatant usurpation of our rights, but they will say their educational reform is seeking to help your children. They will say it is necessary to establish common educational standards. They will say that we need to leave education to the experts and not to parents. And I fear that too many of us simply will give in to the whims of the nanny state.

    As I wrote in my new best-selling book, "Black Belt Patriotism: How to Reawaken America": "The reason that government is cracking down on private instruction has more to do with suppressing alternative education than assuring educational standards. The rationale is quite simple, though rarely if ever stated: control future generations and you control the future. So rather than letting parents be the primary educators of their children -- either directly or by educating their children in the private schools of their choice -- (government) want(s) to deny parental rights, establish an educational monopoly run by the state, and limit private education options. It is so simple any socialist can understand it. As Joseph Stalin once stated, 'Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.'" (Get a free chapter of my book at here.)

    What's amazing, too, is how hypocritical it is for Congress to make this decision. The Heritage Foundation's report also conveys that 44 percent of current United States senators and 36 percent of current members of the U.S. House of Representatives have "at one time sent their children to private schools." While the foundation found that 11 percent of American students attend private schools, 20 percent of the members of the 111th Congress attended private high schools. And they want to remove the voucher option for private school education?

    While the members of President Barack Obama's administration profess to have education as a top priority, they did nothing in March when Congress chose to discontinue the Opportunity Scholarship Program. Why? Because they all are in cahoots to not only choose our medical care for us, own the mortgage insurance and finance businesses, and place caps on corporate earnings but also control our educational choices for our children.

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    Is it merely coincidental that the private choice of home schooling was outlawed by the Soviet state in 1919, by Hitler and Nazi Germany in 1938, and by Communist China in 1949?

    Is America next?

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    "What's amazing, too, is how hypocritical it is for Congress to make this decision. The Heritage Foundation's report also conveys that 44 percent of current United States senators and 36 percent of current members of the U.S. House of Representatives have "at one time sent their children to private schools." While the foundation found that 11 percent of American students attend private schools, 20 percent of the members of the 111th Congress attended private high schools. And they want to remove the voucher option for private school education?"

    And they likely pay for those prep schools, as my parents did, out of their own pockets. Not from vouchers paid for by taxpayers. I simply don't understand why THIS form of welfare is fine with conservatives, except that it is a slap to public schools, and that's enough reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    "What's amazing, too, is how hypocritical it is for Congress to make this decision. The Heritage Foundation's report also conveys that 44 percent of current United States senators and 36 percent of current members of the U.S. House of Representatives have "at one time sent their children to private schools." While the foundation found that 11 percent of American students attend private schools, 20 percent of the members of the 111th Congress attended private high schools. And they want to remove the voucher option for private school education?"

    And they likely pay for those prep schools, as my parents did, out of their own pockets. Not from vouchers paid for by taxpayers. I simply don't understand why THIS form of welfare is fine with conservatives, except that it is a slap to public schools, and that's enough reason.
    I think the conservative answer would be that they are effectively being taxed twice (by choice, of course) -- first in local school taxes and second in private school fees -- and, therefore, the voucher represents a type of rebate for a service not used. The argument falls down in two places. First, it's a choice, not a requirement, to send children to private schools and conservatives are normally not particularly tolerant of ameliorating the effects of a choice. Second, where's the rebate for those of us who don't have (nor ever had) any screaming br...uh, little darlings in the school system? :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    "What's amazing, too, is how hypocritical it is for Congress to make this decision. The Heritage Foundation's report also conveys that 44 percent of current United States senators and 36 percent of current members of the U.S. House of Representatives have "at one time sent their children to private schools." While the foundation found that 11 percent of American students attend private schools, 20 percent of the members of the 111th Congress attended private high schools. And they want to remove the voucher option for private school education?"

    And they likely pay for those prep schools, as my parents did, out of their own pockets. Not from vouchers paid for by taxpayers. I simply don't understand why THIS form of welfare is fine with conservatives, except that it is a slap to public schools, and that's enough reason.
    Well I think if you breakdown the cost per child to send to government indoctrination school compared to the cost of say a charter school, it would be money wisely spent. Government can not run anything well and it especially cannot handle competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Water Closet View Post
    I think the conservative answer would be that they are effectively being taxed twice (by choice, of course) -- first in local school taxes and second in private school fees -- and, therefore, the voucher represents a type of rebate for a service not used. The argument falls down in two places. First, it's a choice, not a requirement, to send children to private schools and conservatives are normally not particularly tolerant of ameliorating the effects of a choice. Second, where's the rebate for those of us who don't have (nor ever had) any screaming br...uh, little darlings in the school system? :D
    Exactly. I never had kids, but I pay a pretty penny in property taxes to Fairfax County Schools. In return, I suppose, they help my property value, since they are considered to be good.

    Really, people, if you don't like "gubmint" schools, don't use them, but don't expect me to provide ANOTHER option when I already provide one.
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    All I can say about Charter Schools is that in Detroit, lots of parents are taking advantage of them. They are safer than the average Detroit high school, but not any better or safer than the magnet schools like Cass Tech or Renaissance High Schools. Kids do score higher on assessments than in the average public schools (not counting the magnet schools, which kids have to qualify by gpa and test scores to be admitted), but the charter schools can kick kids out who don't achieve. Public schools can't do that. Also, public schools are required to provide special education services and charter schools are not.
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    I don't have kids and I want vouchers - I want them a lot. Even though I don't have children myself, I pay for the education of other people's children. That education is becoming increasingly problematic where I live. Kids can't read, write, or speak English, they know 8 ways to divide whole numbers but can't actually employ any technique successfully, and they have no skills that will come in handy in the "do you want fries with that" job market.

    When minimally involved parents suck their kids out of the public school system and into schools with higher standards using vouchers, the public schools will eventually have to address their failings in academics and social reform. Right now, a lot of horrible schools get by on the backs of a handful of normal students and teachers. This has to end.

    I want kids to graduate from high school with a basic functional education. Those who aren't college material (and that's most of them) need to have the skills to get entry-level jobs so they can stay off welfare (something else I pay for) and so they stay away from prison (another tax bill).
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    Really, people, if you don't like "gubmint" schools, don't use them, but don't expect me to provide ANOTHER option when I already provide one.
    But there's also another option of tax credits. For example, if the government allowed an individual to keep more of their own money to subsidize a private school tuition, it really doesn't affect you, does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lager View Post
    But there's also another option of tax credits. For example, if the government allowed an individual to keep more of their own money to subsidize a private school tuition, it really doesn't affect you, does it?
    Overall tax cuts are different. If people keep more of their own money in their pockets, I don't care what they do with it.
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    The government gives tax credits to individuals to subsidize what it thinks is good for overall society. So let's say someone gets a tax credit for buying a hybrid car, of for installing solar panels. Everyone's okay with that, right? Well, public schools in some areas of our country are in really bad shape. Unfortunately there aren't as many options for parents when it comes to education, as there are for reducing their carbon footprint.
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