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    Quote Originally Posted by patriot45 View Post
    C'mon, the parts I liked weren't about dead guys I can't name!
    This was my meat;
    But that was the whole premise for his case.

    If Europe is sucked dry of creativity and other intellectual achievements, his only proof was simply that he was ignorant of the people who have produced any of it. A quick google search, (or for some us, a second or two to dig through our memory banks), shows us that his "proof" is mistaken. Incontestably so.

    Such acute ignorance is exemplary, even for pundits like himself. And yet, amazingly enough, even the severity of this ignorance is dwarfed by his apparent laziness to research. Words coming straight out his ass, to our ears... I feel dirty.

    Since the rest of Draper's article is an attempt to assign blame for a problem that he failed to even establish as an actual problem... its all moot isnt it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    How many Americans can name Americans outside pop-culture, sports or politics that are "great"?
    Audie Murphy
    Marcus Littrell
    Michael Monsoor
    Michael Murphy
    Matthew Axelson
    Danny Dietz
    Thomas Edison
    The Wright Brothers
    Henry Ford
    Samuel Colt
    Milton Friedman
    Thomas Sowell

    I can do this all day. :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinejcksn View Post
    Audie Murphy
    Marcus Littrell
    Michael Monsoor
    Michael Murphy
    Matthew Axelson
    Danny Dietz
    Thomas Edison
    The Wright Brothers
    Henry Ford
    Samuel Colt
    Milton Friedman
    Thomas Sowell

    I can do this all day. :D

    Some diversity in the great americans topic:

    George Washington Carver
    Booker T. Washington
    Harriet Tubman
    Sojourner Truth
    Any of the Tuskegee Airman
    Madame CJ Walker
    Dr. Ben Carson
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    I was noticing all the composers on the list and wondering how many most people could name among today's serious music composers, American or otherwise.
    Few to none and that's if you stretch your definition of "serious composer". Most really good serious music is now composed for movies. Much of the rest of it is so anti-human that is literally painful to listen to, let alone like. Then you have the composers like John Cage who just screw with the audience for some kind of twisted amusement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Few to none and that's if you stretch your definition of "serious composer". Most really good serious music is now composed for movies. Much of the rest of it is so anti-human that is literally painful to listen to, let alone like. Then you have the composers like John Cage who just screw with the audience for some kind of twisted amusement.
    What about John Adams? And I don't mean the second president. :)
    "Today, [the American voter] chooses his rulers as he buys bootleg whiskey, never knowing precisely what he is getting, only certain that it is not what it pretends to be." - H.L. Mencken
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