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#1 Did Nostradamus Predict Osama Bin Laden Or Obama ?
05-20-2009, 06:18 PM
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"Does The 'Promised One" own a Blue Turban ?"
[Note: all quatrains I quote are from "Nostradamus: Life and Literature" by Edgar Leoni, Exposition Press, New York, 1961, republished as "Nostradamus and His Prophecies" by Bell Publishing Company, 1982, widely regarded as the most scholarly, accurate English translation available.]
Michel de Nostredame, more commonly known as Nostradamus, has intrigued the world for five centuries, considered by many to be the greatest prophet who has ever lived. While most prophets recorded vague visions of future events, Nostradamus pinpointed his predictions using specific dates, astrological configurations, climatic events and anagrams naming the villains hundreds of years before they appeared.
Some of the most remarkable involve the Three Antichrists depicted in scores of his prophesies. Nostradamus researchers unanimously agree that he accurately described Napoleon and Hitler as the first two Antichrists, even giving us their names. The first was Napoleon, which Quatrain 8:1 names "PAU, NAY, OLORON." This is an anagram for "Napaulon Roy" ("roy" meaning "king" in French.) The second was Hitler, which Quatrain 2:24 spells "Hister." Both of these Antichrists have been widely recognized and discussed in great length. However, the Third Antichrist, whom Nostradamus scholars have long identified as "Mabus" in Quatrain 2:62, has remained a mystery until very recently.
In 1990 some noticed that Mabus in a mirror spells sudaM. While I can't argue that Saddam Hussein isn't a great candidate for the Third Antichrist described by Nostradamus, there is a much better candidate. The first thing I saw, upon learning that Mabus is considered to be an anagram for the Third Antichrist, was Usam B. Researching anagrams I learned that Mabus is a perfect anagram for Osama -- how bin Laden's first name is commonly spelled. (An anagram is derived by rearranging letters of a word to form another word, and it is kosher to substitute one letter for another.)
"Terror from the Sky" Predicted at the Turn of the 21st Century
Watching those two planes crash into the World Trade Towers on September 11, 2001, the second thing I exclaimed was, "This is right out of the Quatrains of Nostradamus!" I had recently watched the 1981 Orson Welles movie, "The Man Who Saw Tomorrow," about the amazing life and prophecies of Nostradamus, born 1503 in Provence, France. A Catholic Jew said to be descended from the Hebrew tribe of Issachar (who "hath understanding of the times to know what Israel ought to do" according to "Genesis"), Nostradamus first gained widespread fame as a skilled physician who miraculously cured the black plague. Upon the death of his wife and son from the plague while he was abroad healing the sick, Nostradamus began seeing visions of the future which he composed into one thousand cryptic quatrains called "The Centuries."
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05-20-2009, 06:27 PM
I moved this because we can have more fun with it in this forum. :D
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05-20-2009, 06:57 PM
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"These are sure to set the spelling nazi to baying at the moon !
05-20-2009, 07:09 PM
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Barack Obama, A Prophesied Son of Kenya?
For the past several years, I have felt that the United States would get a Democrat as its president in the 2008 elections, who, I have suspected, will probably gain re-election in 2012. Those are basically some speculations on my part.
Wikipedia reports this about the Democratic candidate presidential Barack Obama:
Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. … is the junior United States Senator from Illinois and a candidate for the Democratic Party’s nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. He married in 1992 and has two daughters. Obama has written two books: a memoir of his youth titled Dreams from My Father, and The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics.
Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother, he passed most of his childhood and adolescent years in Honolulu, Hawaii. At age six, he moved to Jakarta where he lived with his mother and Indonesian stepfather for four years.
Thus, one born of a Kenyan father who lived in Indonesia might become the president of the United States. Perhaps I should mention that I do not plan to discuss his politics, to any major degree, at this webpage.
However, as I do believe that without massive repentance, the United States is doomed for destruction sometime after 2012, I found the following report (which could have been made up) of interest:
February 13, 2008
Prophet Of Barack Obama Warns Of Catastrophic US Destruction
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers
Reports from the United States today are trumpeting the primary election victories of US Senator Barack Obama…
However, not to Senator Obama should these American people be looking for their greatest insight into this man, and their future, but rather their attention should be placed upon last centuries great Kenyan Prophet, Johanwa Owalo, the founder of Kenya’s Nomiya Luo Church, and who among the Kenya people of the Luo religion is believed to be a prophet similar to Jesus Christ and Muhammad, and who in 1912 made this horrific prophecy about the United States:
“So far have they [the United States] strayed into wickedness in those [future] times that their destruction has been sealed by my [father]. Their great cities will burn, their crops and cattle will suffer disease and death, their children will perish from diseases never seen upon this Earth, and I reveal to you the greatest [mystery] of all as I have been allowed to see that their [the United States] destruction will come about through the vengeful hands of one of our very own sons.” 
 “Visions of the Great Nyasaye, A Study of the Luo Religion in Kenya”, Order of Sorcha Faal, Sister Mary McCrea © 1915
© February 13, 2008 EU and US all rights reserved. (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1070.htm viewed 4/17/08)
Now, I have searched the net and NOT been able to find the actual text (Visions of the Great Nyasaye) cited in the article above, hence it could all be made up. But if not, it is certainly an interesting possible prophecy about Obama.
(UPDATE 8/23/08: Today I went to the official Barack Obama website and clicked on the link that brought me to his “Fight the Smears” page. I had hoped that if this “prophecy” related to Barack Obama was an internet hoax, that by now the Obama campaign would have tried to deal with it. Since this item is not one of the many that the page attempts to dispel, I have concluded that either this “prophecy” was written many decades ago or it is simply not enough of an issue for the Obama campaign to involve itself with. I will be happy to remove place an update to this article if it is shown that there is not an old prophecy in Kenya regarding a “son of Kenya” being associated with the destruction of the United States.)
Of course, it is absolutely true that Barack Obama is the son of a Kenyan. Here is what the official Barack Obama website reported:
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British…Barack’s father eventually returned to Kenya, and Barack grew up with his mother in Hawaii, and for a few years in Indonesia. Later, he moved to New York, where he graduated from Columbia University in 1983.)
The article by Sorcha Faal continued with:
To the greatest accuracy of the Kenyan Prophet Johanwa Owalo’s words we must note the striking coincidence that this nearly 100-year-old prophecy seemingly echoes into our troubled times, Senator Obama does appear to be the fulfillment of this prophecy as he is, indeed, a ‘son’ of the Kenyan Luo tribal religion (a mixture of Christianity and African tribal beliefs) as he was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Obama, Sr. (born in Nyanza Province, Kenya, of Luo ethnicity) and Stanley Ann Dunham (who was given her fathers first name).
Even more interesting, perhaps, is that this son of the Kenyan Luo peoples, Barack Obama, is seeking to become the leader of the United States at the exact same time that the Nation of his father is in crisis due to the flawed, and as some say ‘stolen’, election which has plunged the Kenyan people into tribal warfare which has claimed over 1,000 lives, and which many of the of the Luo’s believe is ushering in the times predicted by their Prophet Johanwa Owalo…
But whether that specific “prophecy” is real or not, the truth is that I will speculate that if Barack Obama is President of the United States after 2012, that it is certainly possible that the destruction (including invasion by the rising European Beast power) will happen in the 2013-2017 time frame.
But again, I also feel the same if Hillary Clinton or John McCain are in office then. (Hillary Clinton, though, is in a special category–for information on that, please see Might Hillary Clinton Partially Fulfill Bible Prophecy?) (Update 8/30/08: as John McCain selected a woman to be his vice president, the following news item might be of interest Might Sarah Palin Fulfill Prophecy?)
05-20-2009, 07:11 PM
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(Additional update 8/30/08 is an article titled Barack Obama is Not the Antichrist.)
However, the so-called “Obama prophecy” was interesting to me–even though I still suspect that someone could have made it up.
Whether it is real or not, the following scripture, clearly is:
The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower (Deuteronomy 28:43).
Although an American, as an African-American that lived in Indonesia, Barack Obama would certainly seem to biblically qualify as an alien (as of course, do all the illegal aliens in the United States–though Barack Obama’s legal status is not a question). If he becomes president of the United States then perhaps there are many “Obama prophecies” that he will fulfill as the above verse could possibly be discussing Barack Obama in prophecy. But I want to be clear that I do not believe that there is any Barack Obama antichrist prophecy as Barack Obama cannot be the final antichrist (for details, see Barack Obama is Not the Antichrist).
I believe we are certainly getting close to the time of Jacob’s trouble (Jeremiah 30:7)–and it is probable that Barack Obama and/or Hillary Clinton (they possibly could team up somehow–including with cabinet positions) will have a role in fulfilling biblical prophecies.
UPDATE 11/14/08: For more “prophecies about Barack Obama” (some may not be specific towards him–though some seem to feel that they are), please see Kenya Rejoices as Obama Wins, Obama in Islamic Prophecy? and Eight Reasons Why Barack Obama is Apocalyptic.
Those interested in end-time events may wish to read the following articles:
End of Mayan Calendar 2012–Might 2012 Mean Something? There is a Mayan calendar prediction for change in 2012. 2012 changes were also centuries ago predicted by the Hopi Native Americans and the Hindu Indians (who were not even on the same continent). Do these Mayan/Hindu/Hopi prophecies have any value? Why might Satan have inspired this date? Does the Dresden codex show destruction of the earth by flood? Can the great tribulation start before 2012?
Prophecies of Barack Obama? Are there biblical and non-biblical prophecies about Barack Obama. Did Nostradamus predict Barack Obama dealing with the Antichrist? This fairly detailed article is the longest on “Obama prophecies” at the cogwriter website and contains information from biblical and non-biblical sources that show how Barack Obama may lead to the rise of the Beast and the King of the South. It also discusses his religion and how that may play a role.
Anglo - America in Prophecy & the Lost Tribes of Israel Are the Americans, Canadians, British, Scottish, Welsh, Australians, Anglo-Southern Africans, and New Zealanders descendants of Joseph? Where are the lost ten-tribes of Israel? Who are the lost tribes of Israel? Will God punish the U.S.A., Canada, United Kingdom, and other Anglo nations? Why might God allow them to be punished first?
Can the Great Tribulation Begin in 2009, 2010, or 2011? Can the Great Tribulation begin today? When is the earliest that the Great Tribulation can begin? What is the Day of the Lord?
Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”?
Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin?
Mexico, Central America, South America, and Brazil in Prophecy [Español: México, America Central, Suramérica, y el Brasil en profecíal] [Português: México, América Central, Ámérica do Sul, e Brasil na profecia] What will happen to those of Latin America? Will they have prosperity? Will they cooperate with Europe? Will they suffer in the future?
05-21-2009, 11:24 AM
Okay, I can't find this book anywhere on the net. I did, however, find a boatload of info on Sorcha Faal. This is apparently a front for a hoaxer/con artist guy:
Note:. There is no such person as "Sorcha Faal, Russian academic" "Sorcha Faal" is actually David Booth, an American computer programmer "Sorcha" is alleged to be a Russian academic but there is absolutely no record of anyone with such a name in Russian academia. These periodic eruptions have absolutely no basis in any kind of fact or reality and are typical of the nonsense bespangling the internet. These reports, however, have a good deal of entertainment value. This idiocy is almost as funny as the Scientology cult babblings. Ed.
Now, this doesn't mean that Obama isn't the Antichrist - just that this particular set of visions are bogus. :D
05-21-2009, 02:25 PM
At DU, after 9-11, posters were quoting the Mabus quatrain and claiming it referred to George W. Bush.
I stick by my theory of 666:
The first beast dies. The dragon behind him is the source of his power, and he lives on through the Bush family's political dynasty.
I'm just kidding about Reagan, though. I don't really think he was the antichrist, it just makes for a fun argument.
History International channel has been showing a lot of Nostradamus/Mayan calender shows of late. When I was a kid, that kind of stuff scared the crap out of me.
05-22-2009, 01:09 AM
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Well... It can't hurt to have a least two people at every conservative rally carrying signs proclaiming Obama the anti-Christ.
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