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  1. #1 My Son The Socialist – Confronts Reality 
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    “A man younger than 30 who’s not a liberal has no heart and a man older than 30 who’s not a conservative has no brain” - Winston Churchill.

    Spending his formative years in Paris and then returning to complete college and graduate school at the American University of Paris, my son became deeply steeped in French cradle-to -grave socialism, never failing to extol its virtues. A self proclaimed “caviar socialist”, my caviar - his socialism, lamented how hardened we fiscally conservative “old people” had become to the wishes of the “people”. The mean spirited American ideal of education, hard work and opportunity for all was just a bromide invented by the American bourgeoisie in a nefarious plot to stifle the true wishes of the “people”.

    “Ah, for those carefree days, when my motto was “C’est Mon Pere Qui Paie” - it’s my father who pays - how have they gone by so quickly and weren’t they sweet… but alas, a return to New York and the reality of having to earn a living. An $80,000 starting salary, a fortune by French socialist standards, I will soon be king of the “Big Apple” and dining on caviar and champagne. WHAT! An incremental federal tax of 25%, state tax of 6.85%, city tax of 3.65%, my half of social security 6.2% and don’t forget 1.45% for Medicare - what’s left for me, only 57% and I have to pay $2,000 for a studio apartment. C’mon Pops you can help out with the rent? Oh, I’m a little short this week, you think you can give me a couple of hundred?”

    The crotchety old man dispenses his words of wisdom: “Don’t worry my son work hard and you can join the wealthy 1-2% of top earners with over $250,000/annum, then President Obama and Governor Paterson will give you the pleasure of paying an additional 15% on your incremental income - they will get 52% and you will be the lucky recipient of 48%. Count your blessings kid, you don’t have to kick in the 6.2% for social security above $106,800…. yet. And with that tidy sum maybe some day, if you scrimp and save, you can afford to buy a one-bedroom apartment, probably not in the best neighborhood. You rich people have it so good.”

    Reality, it has a way of humbling us all. “Ah, did I forget to tell you my son, President Obama, has big plans for you successful young men and women. You get to pay for his great new American social experiment. To tell you the truth, I would prefer democratic evolution to social revolution but you young people have your opportunity to show us old fogies how clever you are. ”

    Perhaps the fiscal 2009 deficit of $1.75 trillion should be viewed as an anomaly since it’s the direct result of the $700 billion Bush TARP plan and the $800 billion Obama Stimulus Plan, both implemented to ameliorate the effects of the financial crisis and recession. But how can you justify an average deficit of $700 billion annually from 2010 to 20019, which, according to the Obama budget, will be boom times? GDP will likely rise to an eye-popping $23 trillion in 2019 based on the Obama budget. However, expenses will grow to nearly $5.2 trillion and “taxing the rich” will not pay for it.

    Obama Administration Budget (In billions of dollars)

    2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019
    GDP $14,240 $14,729 $15,500 $16,470 $17,498 $18,836 $19,205 $20,952 $20,952 $21,884 $22,858
    Outlays $3,938 $3,552 $3,625 $3,662 $3,856 $4,069 $4,258 $4,493 $4,678 $4,868 $5,158
    Deficit $1,752 $1,171 $912 $581 $533 $570 $583 $637 $636 $634 $712


    Is this “A New Era of Responsibility”? If we take the administration’s rosy recovery scenario at face value, fiscal 2010 GDP will grow by a very healthy 3.4% and federal outlays will be a breathtaking $3.6 trillion, or 24.1% of the projected $14.7 trillion GDP. Since federal receipts will only be $2.4 trillion, a deficit of $1.2 trillion will be incurred in fiscal 2010. This is only the beginning of a recurrent pattern: rosy growth projections for GDP, increased spending and unprecedented deficits as far as the eye can see. Deficits dip from 2012 to 2015 and then continue merrily higher for the rest of the decade without respite. In fact, the projected deficit in the Obama Budget is $7.0 trillion for the decade 2010 to 2019. That’s the good news!

    The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has concluded that, if the Obama budget were approved, the federal government would actually run even larger deficits averaging nearly $1 trillion a year over the next decade. The cumulative deficit from 2010-19 would be $9.3 trillion, according to the report - $2.3 trillion more than the administration’s forecast. The main reason for the difference in budget estimates is a difference in economic growth, with congressional views of long-term growth less optimistic than those of the White House.

    I fear the Obamanomics road to national insolvency is paved with red ink. “But don’t worry my son, work a little harder and you can pay off the annual $1 trillion Obama deficit and with what’s left over you can buy a slice of pizza.”

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    Now while there is some truth to this statement, I would say that the problem with the liberal is that he does not have enuf brains to realize that the best way to have a heart is not to "help" people, but to let people help themselves. Thoreau expressed this sentiment by saying that if he saw someone coming toward him who wanted to do him a good turn, he would run for his life. Too bad the liberals have never been able to absorb the most important nugget of wisdom of one of their greatest heroes.

    Socialists/progressives/liberals are ignorant and faddish. From the pop psychology of Eric Berne and the personhole covers of the feminists to recycling, tofu and channeling, liberals are as faddish as teenagers in their choices and irrational in their fickleness.

    Socialists/progressives/liberals use name-calling to squelch debate and have a wonderful array of smear terms, the most popular of which is "bigot". They supposedly champion the downtrodden, but care nothing for the people who must bear the brunt of their ill-advised and socially-disruptive programs, especially the lower classes. It has been pointed out many times that "compassionate" liberal programs such as welfare have wreaked havoc among the poor, and especially blacks, whose motivation to succeed by their own efforts has been sapped by these programs. What has rarely been mentioned, however, is the fact that socialist programs usually affect the working class adversely while leaving untouched the wealthier classes to which most of the socialists belong. For example, the socialists can usually afford to move to the suburbs and/or send their kids to private school, while the working class cannot, and thus must contend by themselves with the liberal-created devastation and criminality of the inner cities.

    Socialism has been an ignominious failure everywhere it has been tried, from the Fourier communities of the 19th century to the recently-collapsed Soviet "worker's paradise". But no socialist worth his salt ever let facts get in the way of his faith.

    Because socialists feel guilty about the poor and downtrodden, they think this gives them a license to steal from working people in order to support their "compassionate" programs. This, however, is just part and parcel of socialist thinking, in which there is no respect for private property because they think it all belongs to the government (and especially to them.)

    Socialists/progressives/liberals are willing to jettison eons of painfully-acquired human wisdom because they think it is "irrational". For example, they wanted to break down old sexual barriers and taboos, so what we now have is an epidemic of sexually-transmitted diseases, explosive anger over homosexuals getting special privileges, and an army that won't be worth diddly-squat once the sodomites are affirmatively promoted and the competent soldiers leave in disgust.

    Socialists/progressives/liberals have dispensed with individual responsibility. As a result, it has now become socially OK for everyone to blame "society" (whether "racist", "sexist", "ageist", "handicappist", or any other) for their troubles instead of themselves, which the losers are doing in droves, rather than using their own capacities to succeed. Is it any wonder, then, that these classes are not only remaining losers, but are acquiring a huge reservoir of hatred for those who do succeed?

    Socialists/progressives/liberals are ass-kissers. For fear of offending their favorite minorities, they are vigilantly sensitive and politically correct, a situation which causes them to change language, employ euphemisms, suppress unpleasant facts, and assassinate the character of anyone who dares even suggest anything contrary to their socialist catechism.

    The Socialist/progressive/liberals have turned words, rationality and the world upside down. For them, "tolerance" is intolerance of speech they don't like; "social justice" is unjustly pulling down the successful to the level of the unsuccessful; "exploitation" is the creation of a wealthy capitalist society in which even the poor are more wealthy than most people in socialist societies; "freedom" is a government by liberal fascists; "peace" is unilateral disarmament in the face of a totalitarian enemy; and "love" is hatred of anyone who is not a liberal.

    Socialists/progressives/liberals have no idea why others hate them so much, and they especially do not understand what contempt the minorities have for them. For minorities hate them because the liberal insistence on "protecting" minorities implies that the minorities are incompetent and thus need special protection. Yes, minorities will accept the special privileges which socialists have won for them, but their reward will be the eternal -- if covert -- contempt of their "children".
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    It brings to light the old adage: Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Now, as for these idealistic kids, there's an easy way to help them see the light. Ask them how much money they have in their pocket. Then ask them to produce it. Then tell them to give you half. Better yet, tell them to take half of what they have and give it to some random stranger. Chances are they'll look at you like you're nuts.
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    Yes, my daughter who at the age of 20 is an avowed socialist, dreams of someday being rich. And she wants to be a lawyer so she can help the downtrodden. But it's important for her to be a rich lawyer. She likes money.

    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    It brings to light the old adage: Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Now, as for these idealistic kids, there's an easy way to help them see the light. Ask them how much money they have in their pocket. Then ask them to produce it. Then tell them to give you half. Better yet, tell them to take half of what they have and give it to some random stranger. Chances are they'll look at you like you're nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    It brings to light the old adage: Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.
    Actually I like the lesser known adage "Solve a man's problem with violence and help him for a day. Teach a man how to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime"
    Solve a man's problem with violence and help him for a day. Teach a man how to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime - Belkar Bitterleaf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camaraderie View Post
    Now while there is some truth to this statement, I would say that the problem with the liberal is that he does not have enuf brains to realize that the best way to have a heart is not to "help" people, but to let people help themselves. Thoreau expressed this sentiment by saying that if he saw someone coming toward him who wanted to do him a good turn, he would run for his life. Too bad the liberals have never been able to absorb the most important nugget of wisdom of one of their greatest heroes.
    Ah, the compassionate conservative.... The bible is only good for gay-bashing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Ah, the compassionate conservative.... The bible is only good for gay-bashing.
    Do you really not see the wisdom and compassion in teaching a man to lift himself up instead of just picking him up continually? By only picking him up, you ensure that he remains powerless and emasculated. Muscles only grow when they are used. Teaching a man to lift himself up and he becomes his own man, beholden to no one; an autonomous free man. That's what the compassionate conservative wants for his fellow man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlmostThere View Post
    Do you really not see the wisdom and compassion in teaching a man to lift himself up instead of just picking him up continually? By only picking him up, you ensure that he remains powerless and emasculated. Muscles only grow when they are used. Teaching a man to lift himself up and he becomes his own man, beholden to no one; an autonomous free man. That's what the compassionate conservative wants for his fellow man.
    You're trying to debate logic with an obvious liberal. Don't. It's a futile gesture. Liberals want us all to be weak and dependent. This is the only way to keep them in power. This is also why their the sworn enemy of achievement. Don't believe me on that last one? Take a look at schools. Some are replacing actual grades with shapes. Some have done away with competitive sports. Some, gym altogether. Some have done away with publishing their honor roll in the newspaper. In grown-up land, they want to punish achievers with excessive taxation. They try to pass this off as being compassionate when it all about power. The more dependent society becomes the more powerful they get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camaraderie View Post
    Yes, my daughter who at the age of 20 is an avowed socialist, dreams of someday being rich. And she wants to be a lawyer so she can help the downtrodden. But it's important for her to be a rich lawyer. She likes money.
    Does she understand that the downtrodden can't afford her fees?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zathras View Post
    Actually I like the lesser known adage "Solve a man's problem with violence and help him for a day. Teach a man how to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime"
    Tom Kratman said it best: "Build a fire for a man and you warm him for one night. Set a man on fire and you warm him for the rest of his life." :D
    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Ah, the compassionate conservative.... The bible is only good for gay-bashing.
    Where is the compassion in depency on government? Where is the compassion in programs that prevent people from owning their own homes, creating their own businesses, employing those around them and contributing to their communities as they see fit? Please, enlighten us as to how keeping people poor, dependent and weak is better than empowering strong individuals and families?
    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    You're trying to debate logic with an obvious liberal. Don't. It's a futile gesture. Liberals want us all to be weak and dependent. This is the only way to keep them in power. This is also why their the sworn enemy of achievement. Don't believe me on that last one? Take a look at schools. Some are replacing actual grades with shapes. Some have done away with competitive sports. Some, gym altogether. Some have done away with publishing their honor roll in the newspaper. In grown-up land, they want to punish achievers with excessive taxation. They try to pass this off as being compassionate when it all about power. The more dependent society becomes the more powerful they get.
    Debating with a liberal isn't futile. It demonstrates the weakness of their arguments and, on occasion, converts one over. Liberalism only wins when it can present itself without challenges from those who know the endstate. That's why they want to shut down dissent with "fairness" doctrines, speech codes and thuggery. Don't cede them anything. Make them fight for their ideas so that they see that they aren't worth fighting for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Ah, the compassionate conservative.... The bible is only good for gay-bashing.
    You should be the poster boy for "Two Faced Liberal Serial Liars Anonymous".

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