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    I am thinking of running for President. For the purpose of this fantasy letís assume I would sweep in a supportive Congress on my coattails.

    Here is my platform:

    1. Complete the mission in Iraq.

    2. Thereafter extract ourselves from international political and military entanglements, especially in the Middle East. This includes supporting Israel.

    3. Close down many of the foreign located US military bases such as South Korea and Europe.

    4. Station American troops on the Southern US border with orders to stop the illegal invasion by all mean necessary.

    5. It would be my intention to disband the ATF. However, before doing that I would have them go after the confiscation of illegal firearms with the Black and Mexican gangs in LA and other big cities. Letís see if those fuckers have the guts to take on the tough street gangs like they had the guts to go after Ruby Ridge and Waco.

    6. I would get Congress to pass a law forbidding the use of any government funds to a state or city that provides government payments to any illegal. I would also withhold funds from sanctuary cities.

    7. Under existing law I would arrest thousands of employers of illegals along with hundred of thousands if not millions of illegals.

    8. I would not sign any bill that had one ear mark or pork in it.

    9. I would decrease Federal spending by 10% the first year and 15% each year thereafter.

    10. For every dollar reduced I would return half to the people in the form of tax breaks and one half to be used for debt reduction.

    11. I would get Congress to repeal the part of Davis Bacon requiring that the Federal government pay union wages.

    12. Implement the findings of the Moorer Independent study to properly investigate the USS Liberty incident and to hold Israel accountable. Also properly honor the crewmembers of the Liberty.

    13. Reduce all foreign aid except in the case of a natural disaster.

    14. Require that the United Nations find a world headquarters elsewhere while reducing our contributions to minimal amounts.

    15. Repeal the NFA laws.

    16. I would substantially reduce government spending but increase it in the area of veteran benefits.

    17. Immediately order the NRC to license the new construction and operation of up to 600 new nuclear power plants.

    18. Open up drilling wherever there is oil.

    19. Apologize on behalf of the United States government to the people of the South for invading their land and killing them. Provide financial restitution to families of Confederates killed by the US government. Establish a National Confederate War memorial and make Robert E. Leeís birthday a National Holliday.

    I may think of other things later.

    Feel free to comment on my platform or do up your own if you want to add your convictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post


    19. Apologize on behalf of the United States government to the people of the South for invading their land and killing them. Provide financial restitution to families of Confederates killed by the US government. Establish a National Confederate War memorial and make Robert E. Leeís birthday a National Holiday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gator
    19. Apologize on behalf of the United States government to the people of the South for invading their land and killing them. Provide financial restitution to families of Confederates killed by the US government. Establish a National Confederate War memorial and make Robert E. Lee’s birthday a National Holliday.

    If Gator is elected, I'm leaving the country and going to Israel..
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    I am thinking of running for President. For the purpose of this fantasy letís assume I would sweep in a supportive Congress on my coattails.

    Here is my platform

    1. Complete the mission in Iraq.
    Good idea. We started it, we should finish it. However, there is a big problem with this. Basically, our mission is complete when the Iraqi government is confident and comfortable enough to take on the responsibilities of governing a nation. That means, our mission is not complete until the political bodies of Iraq say so. Therefore the government and people of Iraq are currently in control of several billion U.S. taxpayer dollars per year. Ergo, our mission may never be complete. Back this up with a hard line, but reasonable, withdrawal time line. Basically tell the fledgling Iraqi government that they had better get their act together by such and such a date, or such and such a dollar value, or face being ripped apart by the buzzards of tribalism. Basically, even when it comes to defense, the taxpayers of a democracy must have the ultimate say in how their taxed labor is spent.

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    3. Close down many of the foreign located US military bases such as South Korea and Europe. Doing this will make
    Doing so would greatly increase the success of #10. It would save the U.S. government about half to a quarter trillion a year. This would free up wealth to be used to repay the debt, support our veterans, and return the fruit of labor to the taxpayer who is entitled to it.

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    4. Station American troops on the Southern US border with orders to stop the illegal invasion by all mean necessary.
    Actually, the implementation of #6 would make this step useless. Illegals don't come here for the scenery, weather or food. They come for the job opportunities and tax funded freebies. Eliminating those incentives would insure a rapid reduction and subsequent withdrawal of the illegal invasion. No education, no health care, no cash assistance, no food stamps, and no work for pay would have these illegals heading for anywhere but here.


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    5. It would be my intention to disband the ATF. However, before doing that I would have them go after the confiscation of illegal firearms with the Black and Mexican gangs in LA and other big cities. Letís see if those fuckers have the guts to take on the tough street gangs like they had the guts to go after Ruby Ridge and Waco.
    While I applaud the notion, and would happily dance on the grave of the BATFE, there's a deeper issue, that drills down into the roots of why the BATFE is here in the first place. It's the war on drugs. Withdrawal that nonsense. Allow the states to regulate all drugs, including alcohol, then grant the federal government a supervisory role over interstate commerce of these commodities. Within a few years time corporations will have put the 'tough street gangs' out of business and will have made them obsolete.

    The FBI, Coast Guard, and BATFE will no longer need to worry about the drug bullshit, and will have the resources freed up to peruse more pressing issues.

    You see, gangs of today couldn't even subsist on the cash cows of their predecessors. Existing on prostitution, gambling, extortion and whatnot will leave the street gangs of today broke, confused and way out of their element. With legal and legit competition in the trafficking (bootlegging) market these street gangs will lose their backers, those who are making billions of dollars, to the likes of Phillip Morris and R.J. Reynolds. Instead of turf wars we will have mergers, buyouts and acquisitions. Without their south American backers, who will now be dealing with regulated and legitimate corporations, these 'tough street gangs' will go the way of the Mafia. They might still be a player, but they will no longer wield the power they once held. The free market will have usurped their usefulness.

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    7. Under existing law I would arrest thousands of employers of illegals along with hundred of thousands if not millions of illegals.
    Make it a criminal,not a civil offense, and you'll see my response to number 4 becoming a reality before you know it. Business may make the decision that fines are cheaper than increased labor costs....but no business CEO is going to take jail time over a slight cut to profit margins.

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    8. I would not sign any bill that had one ear mark or pork in it.
    I would not sign any bill that spent taxpayer money, which is inherently exhorted, for any reason unless that reason included a summary of the reasoning of congress. That is actually a very important part of the allocation process that is often overlooked. Is congress allocating this money as if it were their own?

    There's an old story about Davy Crockett's tenure in the House, that is fairly accurate. You should google the story. However, the simple fact of the matter is that congress should have to prove, with each and every spending measure, that it has the authority to allocate "The People's" money in the way expressed in the bill. Actually, what it all comes down to is that Congress has to stop looking at money as if it were "government money". There's no such thing as "government money". Every dollar, every dime, that's written off in an expenditure report has to come from someone. Sure the government can borrow from the Fed, but not indefinitely. Someone has to labor to earn the value of the money to pay it back at some point in time. It's not "free"!

    To further break that down, I'd like to point out that those who labor to provide the value behind "government money", expend their mortal time to do so. Time cannot be given back, time is a finite resource that every human soul on this earth holds dear. Each person only has so much time, so the government of a nation would do well to consider the cost in time of labor for each and every expenditure they commit to.

    Obama's own fight against world poverty bullshit wastes the mortal time it takes to produce 0.7% of our GNP. That's a whole of lot of man hours, and those man hours belong solely to the man who is expending them unless there's a damn good lawful reason otherwise.


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    9. I would decrease Federal spending by 10% the first year and 15% each year thereafter.
    Oh, come on! You've already done a hell of a lot more than that! If you've closed down bases in Europe and the Pacific Rim, than you've already reduced spending by 10%. Further reduce our worldwide "deployed military" footprint, while at the same time eliminating socialist welfare programs and we would be expecting a reduction of 25-40% in federal "government money".

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    10. For every dollar reduced I would return half to the people in the form of tax breaks and one half to be used for debt reduction.
    Excellent! Pay off the moneylenders, and then ensure that the value of American currency will never again be based on the practices of private, non-elected, individuals who happen to be in business for profit. Restore the responsibility of coining money to the Congress of the United States. This will ensure that a privately held, extremely secretive, organization of money lenders can no longer stretch and weaken the dollars earned and saved by American workers to benefit their money lending market strategies. Well, in all actuality elected officials could do this, but it would cost them dearly the next election cycle. A repercussion our friend Bernake doesn't have to face.

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    11. I would get Congress to repeal the part of Davis Bacon requiring that the Federal government pay union wages.
    I would fight for an end to all federal labor restriction laws. States are perfectly capable of mandating the basics, and would be far more likely to view labor as a market than anything else.

    Labor is a market, in areas where labor is scarce, labor should be expensive. In areas where labor is abundant labor should be cheap. However, as labor is a market, and a rather geographical one at that, I would respect the labor market enough to let it take care of itself as supply and demand intend.

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    16. I would substantially reduce government spending but increase it in the area of veteran benefits.
    No need to increase veteran's business. Just keep the promises this nation made to those who fought for her. Veterans, myself included, made a deal. An honest days work for an honest day's pay so to speak. This nation doesn't have to go out of it's way to bend over backwards for us, but it does have to deliver on the promises it made. America has to keep it's promises with regard to her veterans, but she doesn't have to spend taxpayers hard earned dollars to go above and beyond. This veteran would rather like it if those taxpayers kept their excess money for their own uses. After all, that's the reason I'm a veteran in the first place.

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    17. Immediately order the NRC to license the new construction and operation of up to 600 new nuclear power plants.
    Eff that! Why 600? Why not, "as many as the market will bear and investors will produce." Licensing any and all comers who meet or exceed standardized criteria is a given, but quantify it? Let the scarcity of the market of energy meet the demand, while keeping the safety of the public in mind with the standardized criteria for engineering and all.
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    18. Open up drilling wherever there is oil.
    While I agree, that is ultimately up to the congress. Respect the checks and balances and let the representatives of the people do the right thing or lose their jobs. To the people of the U.S., represented in congress, drilling offshore or in the Artic is one thing, but drilling in the heart of Yellowstone, the Redwood Forrest or the Grand Canyon is another. With the exception of offshore Corpus Christi, I don't want drilling in the places I take my kids on vacation. The Congress should be stripped of their stupid pills and punched in the face with accountability, and then asked to answer these questions. That's what they are supposed to be there for. They aren't supposed to be stupid old bloated popularity contest rejects. They are supposed to be policymakers making policies that benefit Americans!

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    19. Apologize on behalf of the United States government to the people of the South for invading their land and killing them. Provide financial restitution to families of Confederates killed by the US government. Establish a National Confederate War memorial and make Robert E. Leeís birthday a National Holliday.
    All else aside, when one looks at the Civil War from a Libertarian perspective, you are exactly right. Now, once one realizes that every single letter n the Constitution & Bill of Rights came from a Libertarian then one is only left to conclude that to believe in America is to believe in Libertarianism. (Even the federalists are more closely aligned with Libertarian ideals that anything else, and the federalists didn't win the argument).

    If the republican party, the party of Abe Lincoln, is to reconcile these differences between ideology and history, then we have to make a crucial first step. That first step is to straight up dump the 'religious right' rhetoric and the 'values voters' nonsense. No good is going to come of these platforms and quite frankly American voters are sick of hearing about them. The Values/Religious voters may as well just be another special interest group lobbying for position as far as common voters are concerned. As a matter of fact, Green Peace, MoveOn and the SierraClub are often seen as more tolerable and less obstructive and obnoxious. Personally, I'm not a republican because I don't want gays to marry. I'm not a republican because I want to make abortion illegal, prayer legal or mandatory, or any other nonsense social reason. I'm a republican because I want to provide for and support my family as best I see fit without someone second guessing or questioning me. My philosiphy of "I'm a republican because I want to be left the hell alone" goes starkly and directly against the "values voters" philosiphy of "I'm a republican because I want to feel secure in the world in which I live and I have to know that things are the same everywhere" philosiphy. If these sorts of platforms were aired outside of "inside party" politics, than most of you would come to realize that the Libertarian-Republican social, economic and legislative views would be well received by the voters.

    Regardless of what you might hear in political commentary and opinion that passes as "news" these days, the average American voter still wants to live the American Dream. They want to be left alone to do for their family as they see fit....no matter how they define their family. They want to do the best they can in an honest and law abiding manner.....so long as the laws aren't over oppressive and overbearing enough to interfere with the "be left alone" part. Americans still want an honest days pay for an honest days work without someone of a "higher power" divvying it up among those who this "higher power" considers more deserving. Americans want to keep what they earn and earn what they keep. Unfortunately, this goes against the current political philosiphy of both the left and the right this election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newshutr View Post
    If Gator is elected, I'm leaving the country and going to Israel..
    Good. Remember that I will hold Israel responsible for the spying and attack on America, which will involve military retaliation on our part. Israel will not get one more dime or one more spare part or anything else from us. I will not be paying off Israel's enemies to leave it alone. I will join the rest of the world in declaring it a terrorist state freezing their assets in the US and not allowing Israelis to come into the country.

    I suspect when I do all that there will be some serious payback from all these people that the Israelis have been treating like shit for all these years. Maybe you will be forced to join the IDF to defend the homeland. Have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Good idea. We started it, we should finish it. However, there is a big problem with this. Basically, our mission is complete when the Iraqi government is confident and comfortable enough to take on the responsibilities of governing a nation. That means, our mission is not complete until the political bodies of Iraq say so. Therefore the government and people of Iraq are currently in control of several billion U.S. taxpayer dollars per year. Ergo, our mission may never be complete. Back this up with a hard line, but reasonable, withdrawal time line. Basically tell the fledgling Iraqi government that they had better get their act together by such and such a date, or such and such a dollar value, or face being ripped apart by the buzzards of tribalism. Basically, even when it comes to defense, the taxpayers of a democracy must have the ultimate say in how their taxed labor is spent.


    I think that with my plan to get out of the business of supporting Israel and stop giving weapon systems to the Saudis and everybody else over there we can walk away from Iraq from a position of strength.

    When we aren't intervening in Middle East politics anymore we don't have to worry about the details all that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    19. Apologize on behalf of the United States government to the people of the South for invading their land and killing them. Provide financial restitution to families of Confederates killed by the US government.
    I'm sorry you got your asses kicked. Needed to be done.

    I'll be glad to toss a few bucks your way. I always figured you Southern boys wanted a handout. Guess you're no different than any other "oppressed" group in this country. Just don't spend the money on roadkill, cornmeal and okra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    I'm sorry you got your asses kicked. Needed to be done.

    I'll be glad to toss a few bucks your way. I always figured you Southern boys wanted a handout. Guess you're no different than any other "oppressed" group in this country. Just don't spend the money on roadkill, cornmeal and okra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    Good. Remember that I will hold Israel responsible for the spying and attack on America, which will involve military retaliation on our part. Israel will not get one more dime or one more spare part or anything else from us. I will not be paying off Israel's enemies to leave it alone. I will join the rest of the world in declaring it a terrorist state freezing their assets in the US and not allowing Israelis to come into the country.

    I suspect when I do all that there will be some serious payback from all these people that the Israelis have been treating like shit for all these years. Maybe you will be forced to join the IDF to defend the homeland. Have fun.
    So, you will attack our ally and reward our enemies. Got it. Shall I sew a yellow star of David onto my uniforms now or just wait until you open up the first camps?

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    I think that with my plan to get out of the business of supporting Israel and stop giving weapon systems to the Saudis and everybody else over there we can walk away from Iraq from a position of strength.

    When we aren't intervening in Middle East politics anymore we don't have to worry about the details all that much.
    No, the Arabs will simply continue to spread the global Jihad and use their massive oil revenues to undermine democracies through the spread of radical mosques and madrassas. Under your plan, we will not have to worry about unconstitutional laws, since we be under Sharia within a generation.
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