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    The most successful interrogation of an Al-Qaeda operative by U.S. officials required no sleep deprivation, no slapping or "walling" and no waterboarding. All it took to soften up Abu Jandal, who had been closer to Osama bin Laden than any other terrorist ever captured, was a handful of sugar-free cookies....at their first meetings, he refused even to look at them and ranted about the evils of the West. Far from confirming al-Qaeda's involvement in 9/11, he insisted the attacks had been orchestrated by Israel's Mossad. While Abu Jandal was venting his spleen, Soufan noticed that he didn't touch any of the cookies that had been served with tea: "He was a diabetic and couldn't eat anything with sugar in it." At their next meeting, the Americans brought him some sugar-free cookies, a gesture that took the edge off Abu Jandal's angry demeanor. "We had showed him respect, and we had done this nice thing for him," Soufan recalls. "So he started talking to us instead of giving us lectures."...It took more questioning, and some interrogators' sleight of hand, before the Yemeni gave up a wealth of information about al-Qaeda - including the identities of seven of the 9/11 bombers - but the cookies were the turning point. "After that, he could no longer think of us as evil Americans," Soufan says. "Now he was thinking of us as human beings."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2009052...09171190149100

    This is the Same interrogator that testified before congress and said Bush/Cheney was not truthful.

    Ali Soufan, testifying to a Senate panel behind a screen to hide his identity, said his team's non-threatening interrogation approach elicited crucial information from al-Qaida operative Abu Zubaydah, including intelligence on "dirty bomb" terrorist Jose Padilla.
    Soufan said his team had to step aside when CIA contractors took over. They began using harsh methods that caused Zubaydah to "shut down," Soufan said, and his team had to be recalled the get the prisoner talking again.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30721458


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    Sugar free cookies. What was next, the comfy chair, or the soft cushions? If we had thrown in a diet Pepsi, their whole network might have crumbled by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lager View Post
    Sugar free cookies. What was next, the comfy chair, or the soft cushions? If we had thrown in a diet Pepsi, their whole network might have crumbled by now.
    So, you don't really care if we get intel. You just want to get your rocks off on torturing someone.

    You reject what really works because it's not macho enough ?

    Keep it up kids. Your doing great.
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    No, I don't want to torture anybody. I just find it laughable that you actually believe that sugar free cookies are the key to getting intel out of an interrogation subject. You know there are probably some that give up information strictly out of fear, before we try anything at all. And there are probably some that will never give up anything useful no matter what we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nero View Post
    So, you don't really care if we get intel. You just want to get your rocks off on torturing someone.
    You reject what really works because it's not macho enough ?
    Keep it up kids. Your doing great.
    And, naturally, sugar-free cookies and respect, having worked once, will work in all cases. Right. In the case of the three (count 'em, three) terrorists who were waterboarded, we were able to foil a planned 9/11 type assault on Los Angeles and roll up dozens of sleeper cells. And, as they say in Hollywood, no terrorists were harmed in the saving of those thousands of lives that the jihadis would have snuffed out.

    What infuriates me about people like you is that while your heart bleeds for hardcore terrorists who were subjected to mild discomfort (I've got buddies who've been waterboarded as part of SERE training, and if we do it to ourselves, it isn't torture, now is it?), but when the terrorists commit what any sane person would consider an atrocity against us, you yawn and go right back to pretending that we're the bad guys. You need a lesson in what real torture looks like. Here are a few samples which, unlike the Abu Ghraib photos of hazings, weren't plastered all over the media, because, like you, they only see evil on our side of the line:

    Daniel Pearl video
    Nick Berg video
    Here's a pic of how our enemies treat civilians that they've captured. You can see what's left of them in the background, although you may have trouble recognizing them as human remains after the mob got through with them.


    What you don't get, what you refuse to get, is that there are real horrors in the world, and the people who stand between you and the monsters who want you dead or enslaved aren't the enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nero View Post
    So, you don't really care if we get intel. You just want to get your rocks off on torturing someone.

    You reject what really works because it's not macho enough ?

    Keep it up kids. Your doing great.
    How long does this crap have to continue?
    Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lager View Post
    I just find it laughable .

    Thats obvious.

    Ther are service men and women who risk their lives for our nation. There are those who have to interrogate hundreds, if not thousands of people in Iraq, these people are now speaking out and testifying to congress. Theyt are telling us that torture didn't work, and that most of the fighters they were seeing said they were fighting and killing our soldiers because of the detainee abuses, hudreds if not thousands of American soldiers were killed because of torture, this is not my opinion, it comes straight from the interrogators in Iraq. When our soldiers who are involved with these interrogations do find a way that works they will use it and develop it. It ISN'T about cookies and milk, it is about respect, this is what the interrogators said. They said in this case we got more info than any other case...and when the CIA did show up and start the torture, he clammed up and they has to be brought back in to get him talking again.

    What I see here is a bunch of radicals making fun of a interrogation method that isn't macho enough for them.

    It worked, the methods worked and we got intel, our service men and women deserve our respect and support for this accomplishment, but instead they get ridiculed and belittled by the GOP base.

    This is why your party is dying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nero View Post
    Thats obvious.

    Ther are service men and women who risk their lives for our nation. There are those who have to interrogate hundreds, if not thousands of people in Iraq, these people are now speaking out and testifying to congress. Theyt are telling us that torture didn't work, and that most of the fighters they were seeing said they were fighting and killing our soldiers because of the detainee abuses, hudreds if not thousands of American soldiers were killed because of torture, this is not my opinion, it comes straight from the interrogators in Iraq. When our soldiers who are involved with these interrogations do find a way that works they will use it and develop it. It ISN'T about cookies and milk, it is about respect, this is what the interrogators said. They said in this case we got more info than any other case...and when the CIA did show up and start the torture, he clammed up and they has to be brought back in to get him talking again.

    What I see here is a bunch of radicals making fun of a interrogation method that isn't macho enough for them.

    It worked, the methods worked and we got intel, our service men and women deserve our respect and support for this accomplishment, but instead they get ridiculed and belittled by the GOP base.

    This is why your party is dying.
    No one is making fun of an interrogation method. Just your naivety. We've agreed that you have to adapt methods and use whatever works. You talk about sevice members, Odysseus is a service member that just responded to you with quite an effective argument.

    One thing Cheney said about Obama was that he should make a non political examination of all the facts and a thorough examination of all methods and then make a judgement on what he thinks is he should keep or discard. Do you agree with him on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nero View Post
    So, you don't really care if we get intel. You just want to get your rocks off on torturing someone.

    You reject what really works because it's not macho enough ?

    Keep it up kids. Your doing great.
    Here's an idea to consider: What works on 1 person may not work on another.

    So this guy was a pussy who talked for a few cookies (or maybe he was remorseful, or scared of what might happen if he didn't talk, etc). KSM have have had more steel in his spine and required more... persuasive... techniques. By all means, give the soft touch approach a try first, but if it doesn't work, and the guy definitely is a higher up with vital info, move on to progressively tougher things until he talks.
    The problem in the next four years will be not just that the president of the United States serially does not tell the truth. Instead, the real crisis in our brave new relativist world will be that those who demonstrate that he is untruthful will themselves be accused of lying. - Victor Davis Hanson
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    http://www.conservativeunderground.c...ad.php?t=14731

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