DUmmies Trash McCain's Time As POW

[Perilloux]

IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 09:08 PM
Original message
McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer...

"O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

John McCain, US News & World Report 5/14/73

Hero??? And they questioned John Kerry's service?????

Surprisingly a lot of the DUers take issue with this line of attack, but far too many, IMO, go along and pile on.

Truth Hurts A Lot (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #1
29. He's always talking about his service. It's fair game IMO

Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 09:48 PM by Truth Hurts A Lot
He's a legacy military officer. He didn't rise from nothing, he was handed his position on a silver platter. He served and that's great, but his entire record is fair game.

The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
25. There Is No Reason For Anyone To Be Ashamed Of Any Attack On McCain, Ma'am

And neither excuse nor grounds for defending him here....

"Politics ain't bean-bag."

Major props to Fredda Weinberg for setting "IndianaJones" straight.

Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 09:28 PM
Response to Original message
14. I read McCain's account ... you should be ashamed of yourself

I remember my father's war stories ... how hard it was to admit what humans are capable of doing. Here's McCain's explanation of why he shared this

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mcc...

When I saw it, I said to the guard, "O.K., get the officer." An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as "The Bug." He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." He left and came back with a doctor, a guy that we called "Zorba," who was completely incompetent. He squatted down, took my pulse. He did not speak English, but shook his head and jabbered to "The Bug." I asked, "Are you going to take me to the hospital?" "The Bug" replied, "It's too late." I said, "If you take me to the hospital, I'll get well."

"Zorba" took my pulse again, and repeated, "It's too late." They got up and left, and I lapsed into unconsciousness.

Sometime later, "The Bug" came rushing into the room, shouting, "Your father is a big admiral; now we take you to the hospital."

I tell the story to make this point: There were hardly any amputees among the prisoners who came back because the North Vietnamese just would not give medical treatment to someone who was badly injured—they weren't going to waste their time. For one thing, in the transition from the kind of life we lead in America to the filth and dirt and infection, it would be very difficult for a guy to live anyway. In fact, my treatment in the hospital almost killed me.

IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. "give the enemy no information other than name, rank, serial number and date of birth"

better men than McCain died without divulging information.

Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #17
31. I wish you wouldn't go there ...

"I was just forwarded the article where you quote Ted Sampley from the U.S. Veteran Dispatch about John, and I guess that you are quoting Sampley when you comment in the second paragraph of your article that John met with Vo Nguyen Giap and Francois Chalais. The clear tenor of this article is that John McCain had some choice in these meetings. He did not. He was a prisoner..locked up in a Commie jail, and the Commies completely controlled where John was located, and who came to meet him. I repeat..he had no .. zero ..nada choice in this...and John did not meet anyone..they came to the hospital or the prison to meet him. John had no choice about who came to see him.

"So, because I have personal knowledge of these meetings..let's start with Francois Chalais. Chalais was a French newspaperman who was there to do a pro-commie news release about John's condition, and to let the U. S. to know that John was horribly broken up, but he was alive. The place..the hospital where John was lying on a hospital gurney. He was in intense pain. His right arm had been fractured in 3 places, his right knee was fractured, his left arm was jerked out of the socket, and he had been bayoneted in the left leg. NEED I mention that they were not passing out pain pills or injecting morphine and painkillers in his legs or arms????? Isn't it instantly clear that this is the story of Commies exploiting a very badly injured prisoner?? Extortion?? Abuse?? Against the Geneva convention???

...

"Now..after these factual descriptions....let's get to the guts of the slander about John McCain. Francois Chalais was a Frenchman. McCain was NOT in violation of the Code of Conduct in speaking with him. McCain did not speak against his country or any of our allies..which is what the Code prohibits. The news of his shoot-down was not a military secret, and in fact had been published by the U. S. Navy, just as all combat losses were reported. John McCain did not say anything to Chalais that was improper.

http://www.devvy.net/candidates/mccain_final.html

I'm not even a little excited about McCain as our nominee, but I have tremendous respect for his service and time as a POW. The more the left attacks him on these grounds the more enthusiastically I will defend and support him.

[AmPat]

It sure is easy from the cheap seats to disparage this fine man, isn't it DUmmies? Of course the cheap seat was probably purchased by your parents, and you are sitting on it in your parent's basement. Before you attack John McCain on his actions while imprisoned, you had best look into why you would stoop to such a level. Why, other than a misguided and stupid hatred because he is your candidates opponent, would you even go there. :mad:

Real "sophisticates" and decent people would immediately leave the filth of D.U. rather than be tainted by the idiocy that comes from that cesspool.

[Elspeth]

It sure is easy from the cheap seats to disparage this fine man, isn't it DUmmies? Of course the cheap seat was probably purchased by your parents, and you are sitting on it in your parent's basement. Before you attack John McCain on his actions while imprisoned, you had best look into why you would stoop to such a level. Why, other than a misguided and stupid hatred because he is your candidates opponent, would you even go there. :mad:

::insert clapping smilie here::

[CLibertarian]

It sure is easy from the cheap seats to disparage this fine man, isn't it DUmmies? Of course the cheap seat was probably purchased by your parents, and you are sitting on it in your parent's basement. Before you attack John McCain on his actions while imprisoned, you had best look into why you would stoop to such a level. Why, other than a misguided and stupid hatred because he is your candidates opponent, would you even go there. :mad:

Real "sophisticates" and decent people would immediately leave the filth of D.U. rather than be tainted by the idiocy that comes from that cesspool.

Excellent! I couldn't have said it better myself.

[BSR]

IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 09:08 PM
Original message
McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer...

"O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

John McCain, US News & World Report 5/14/73

Hero??? And they questioned John Kerry's service?????

[Junebug68]

This literally makes me sick to my stomach. I'd like to see how long the DUmmies could last in the same situation. I bet they'd be burning American flags with their captors in less than 10 seconds flat. Hey DUmmies - You. Are. SHIT! :mad:

[lacarnut]

I welcome the attacks on McCain from these partisan pricks because in the long run they are mobilizing conservatives who have not decided whether to vote for him or not; Independents do not like this trash talking by pissants like Clark either. In other words, the dummie Democraps are doing us a favor.

[Elspeth]

I welcome the attacks on McCain from these partisan pricks because in the long run they are mobilizing conservatives who have not decided whether to vote for him or not; Independents do not like this trash talking by pissants like Clark either. In other words, the dummie Democraps are doing us a favor.

They wouldn't get it if you actually spelled it out for them. I spent months trying to convince them that trashing women on DU would not benefit Barrack, and of course it has not. They are simply incapable of understanding strategy. They are all about the gratification of their immediate feelings.

[Elspeth]

Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 09:28 PM
Response to Original message
14. I read McCain's account ... you should be ashamed of yourself

I remember my father's war stories ... how hard it was to admit what humans are capable of doing. Here's McCain's explanation of why he shared this

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mcc...

When I saw it, I said to the guard, "O.K., get the officer." An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as "The Bug." He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." He left and came back with a doctor, a guy that we called "Zorba," who was completely incompetent. He squatted down, took my pulse. He did not speak English, but shook his head and jabbered to "The Bug." I asked, "Are you going to take me to the hospital?" "The Bug" replied, "It's too late." I said, "If you take me to the hospital, I'll get well."

"Zorba" took my pulse again, and repeated, "It's too late." They got up and left, and I lapsed into unconsciousness.

Sometime later, "The Bug" came rushing into the room, shouting, "Your father is a big admiral; now we take you to the hospital."

I tell the story to make this point: There were hardly any amputees among the prisoners who came back because the North Vietnamese just would not give medical treatment to someone who was badly injured—they weren't going to waste their time. For one thing, in the transition from the kind of life we lead in America to the filth and dirt and infection, it would be very difficult for a guy to live anyway. In fact, my treatment in the hospital almost killed me.

Did you know that Fredda has now been banned (or tombstoned)? I just found out this morning.

[LibraryLady]

But in 1967 he was shot down during his 23rd bombing run over North Vietnam. He ejected from his plane, breaking his right knee and both arms. He splashed down in a lake in Hanoi and was taken captive.

When he arrived in prison, he was bayoneted in the ankle. His arms were never set and the cartilage was cut from his knee, meaning he could barely bend his leg during his five-and-a-half years in captivity.

He spent two years in solitary confinement, suffered from dysentery and even tried to commit suicide by hanging himself with his own shirt.

In 1968, the Vietnamese broke off many of his teeth at the gum and tortured him for hours on end. They offered him early release, knowing his value as an admiral's son, but he refused, saying others had been held captive longer.

Finally, McCain agreed to a taped confession, in which he admitted to the "deeds of an air pirate". But when asked for the names of the men in his flight squadron, he gave the names of players of the Green Bay Packers American football team. The Vietnamese were none the wiser.

Kerry needed a bandaid for one of his Purple Heart citations.