#1 The Air France plane: debris scattered over 55 miles, plane "separated" in midair
06-04-2009, 01:13 PM
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According to Anne Curry, NBC Today show. No distress call, no survivors, previous bomb threat to another Air France plane-
Can we call this a bomb now? Who of importance was on that plane? (And no, the girl from Riverdance doesn't count.)
06-04-2009, 01:23 PM
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All things considered this is begining to look like a bomb !
06-04-2009, 02:18 PM
They seem to think it was the weather:
There are 14 minutes of computer generated messages sent to ground control.Obama-if you're being run out of town, get out in front and pretend that it's a parade!!!
06-04-2009, 03:58 PM
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They've had bomb threats .
Bomb threat on other Air France flights .
Security personnel at Buenos Aires-Ezeiza airport in Argentina delayed an Air France flight this evening before departing for Paris immediately after the company received a bomb threat over the phone at the airport offices.
The Argentine Federal Police, along the Firemen’s direction and the Airport’s Security proceeded to inspect the plane, that had arrived this morning from the French city and, after a brief stop, was preparing to return.
The routine procedure lasted approximately an hour and a half and, as sources of the airport reported, all the passengers are ok and they were not evacuated from the plane.
Bomb Threat on An Air France Flight Just Days Earlier
The flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris vanished with 228 people onboard Sunday night. On Tuesday searchers found an oil slick and debris from the plane floating in the Atlantic 700 miles off the coast of Brazil.
Today, ABC News has confirmed that Air France received a bomb threat over the phone concerning a flight from Buenos Aires, Argentina, to Paris days before Air France flight 447 disappeared over the Atlantic.
Authorities at Buenos Aires' Ezeiza Airport delayed the May 27 flight before takeoff and conducted a 90-minute search of the threatened aircraft. Passengers were not evacuated during the search, which yielded no explosive material. After the inspection, authorities allowed the plane to take off for Paris
06-04-2009, 11:41 PM
They said the T-Storms the plane tried to nav went up 50,000 feet.
Very powerful storms with updrafts over 100mph and they flew right into it. Analysts
were saying even Military grade planes would have problems with these
type of storms. Lots of lightning.
Then again, I read some other pilots from another airline reported a bright
white fllash from the area of the plane in trouble. They said they saw a bright
white flash that then quickly descended and was gone from view in about
If it was a bomb I would have thought the wackjobs would be claiming
responsibility by now.
May the FORCE be with you!
06-05-2009, 01:10 AM
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Lightning strikes are a fairly common thing on commercial aircraft .The flight control systems are redundant and separate and just about fail safe.The wings are engineered to withstand both positive and negative g-force far in excess of design paramaters.
The central core of the wings are carbon fiber guiders supporting the wings and fuel tanks.Extreme turbulence will never cause the wings to fail and even though the aircraft jumps and jives all over the sky's it's mostly just an annoyance . The wing roots extend through the fuselage as a continuous structure on both sides and are all one piece .
Heavy turbulence sure does scare the hell out of people especially me .When turbulence starts to disturb the paying customers the pilot will change altitude to find a smooth path through it .
I recall a flight somewhere over Texas where the pilot was attempting to pass through a wall of heavy clear air turbulence and after being tossed all over the sky and several times being driven back by the heavy buffeting he finally had to change altitude and sneak through the wall at just over the tree tops.
The Hurricane hunter aircraft are heavily modified Lockheed Electra turboprop commercial aircraft with telemetry and communication gear but the airframe is the original Electra four engine turboprops .Those flights are like an roller coaster and elevator combination ride going through the storm walls and bouncing all over the sky .The storm crew have special four point harnesses with multiple teather points to keep them from hitting the bulkheads.
There have been reports of aircraft on long hauls from Japan Or Australia of people injured with broken arms and legs due to unexpected turbulence.Most modern long haul aircraft especially 'Heavy' and Super Heavy' have weather radar and dodge pockets of extreme turbulence with ease but sometime they don't show up on the radar.
Modern aircraft engines are also overdesigned and an single engine failure will not bring down an aircraft .If the aircraft lost an engine at the point of no return they could easily divert or continue and on one engine if need be.
Obviously they could have run out of fuel and that actually has happened of some flights and another Boeing 747 sequentially lost three engines due to a mechanic failing to install new washers on the oil filler plugs after he changed engine oil but that aircraft was able to land safely on one engine . Air France should be more competent than some smaller air carriers.
That leaves explosive decompression as the most likely cause especially when it occurs at at high altitudes and they find large pieces of the fuselage .They clain that because they found oil stains on some parts of the fusillage that the aircraft didnt explode and burn.If the aircraft was doing five hundred seventy mph at thirty sevel thousand feet I seriously doubt there would be any fire due to a lack of oxygen and extreme air flow over the aircraft skin.
"France's defense minister and the Pentagon have said there were no signs that terrorism was involved.
"We have no evidence, we have no proof, we don't know," French Foreign Minister Bernard Kochner said after he was asked about the possibility of a bomb. "Is it possible? I mean to look at an explosion? Yes it is. It is one of the hypotheses."
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