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06-06-2009, 12:46 AM
Don't know if this is the right forum or if this has been posted anywhere else but...http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...98yLgD98KSOP00. You know, they're not even hiding that they want this country to be a Socialist/Fascist country anymore. These people just don't care. Once this is passed you're going to see unemployment go up and they'll all be scratching their heads wondering why. And the ironic thing is that the author of this bill doesn't take part in any of it.
06-07-2009, 02:29 AM
I seriously doubt that the Democraps will show us how they score the bill. In other words, just trust us and every thing will be peaches and cream and money will fall from heaven. Everyone will be covered and it will NOT impact business bottom line. :mad: These fools are going to fuck up this economy big time with the government getting involved in 1/6 of the economy. Will Obama pull another 31 year old punk out of his ass to become the new Health Care Czar. These czars are exploding all over the place.
06-08-2009, 11:25 PM
You do realize that socialism and fascism are somewhat mutually exclusive concepts and they are generally considered to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum? Anyway...Originally Posted by NJCardFan
Honestly, when you peal back the layers on the health care proposals put out so far--both Dems and Repubs seem to still be in bed with big medicine.
I read somewhere that 60% of all personal bankruptcies are due to medical bills--maybe it was on this board. I'll try to find it.
Anyway--how much steam does the Kennedy Bill have? Is it even in the running anymore?
06-09-2009, 01:12 AM
Um, you no not your history do you. You do know that the true meaning of the Nazi Party is National Socialism, do you not?
06-09-2009, 01:44 AM
Yep. That's what the Nazi Party called themselves. Fox advertises themselves as "Fair and Balanced", buy doesn't make it so.
Like I said, despite how the Nazi's defined their brand of fascism, fascism and socialism are still generally considered to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
06-09-2009, 06:59 AM
They are ONLY supposedly polar opposites because the liberal institutions were revolted when one of their kindred spirits went all Hitler on them.
Before Hitler and WWII Fascism was all the rage amongst the liberal elite. They are two sides of the same coin.
Statist to the core. The state before the individual.
Look into it and you will find you have been lied to by your professors.
Mussolini was a Hero.
Will Rogers, Cole Porter, Puccini,Toscaninini and a whole lot of the entertainment class adored him.
The left wing muckracker Ida Tarbell ( who broke up Standard Oil) praised him and his attitude toward labor, Lincoln Steffers - another left wing "journalist" (when visiting the Soviet Union he exclaimed "I have been over into the future and it works") - said of Mussolini: God had "formed Mussolini out of the rib of Italy". McClures Magazine championed fascism after it publisher visited Italy. In 1926 Columbia University became (according to historian John P. Diggens) fascism's "veritable home in America" and a "school house for budding fascist ideologues". The list of leftist admirers is VERY VERY long. They are one and the same. Fascism has only lost it's shine because of what Hitler did and the left had to invent some manner to distance itself from it.
The rift between communists and fascists was only because they were competing for the same audience.
Last edited by Constitutionally Speaking; 06-09-2009 at 07:31 AM.
06-09-2009, 07:12 AM
The only difference in your graph hazlenut, is the supposed private ownership of the means of production (businesses etc.) yet under fascism the ownership may have been private, but the control was still in the hands of the state.
Other than actual ownership, what was the differences between Stalinist Russia and Fascist Germany??? VERY LITTLE.
The rhetoric was that same, the control of the press was the same, the educational indoctrination was the same. They both were "for the working man" the rhetoric from both was against the bourgeoisie and the privileged classes. The state planning was the same - the list goes on and on. EVERYTHING was the same
The liberal historians HAD to find some way of putting fascism on the right, and your graph is one of the methods used.
Last edited by Constitutionally Speaking; 06-09-2009 at 07:22 AM.
06-09-2009, 08:16 AM
How do you know the graph was made by a liberal, or even a historian? Have you seen it before in a textbook where it was cited? Do you personally know the person who made that graph?
--Or--
Did you infer that the graph was made by a liberal because it placed fascism on the right side* of the spectrum and only a conniving liberal would do something so misleading?
*by this I mean bottom half of the graph.
06-09-2009, 09:02 AM
Japan, his name is Constitutionally Speaking. He must know what he's talking about LOL;)
Yeah, I'll dash a letter off to all my history and poli sci profs right away...
06-09-2009, 09:23 AM
If you can't trust wikipedia who can you trust. You should really include links. Or were you to ashamed of your source?Yep. That's what the Nazi Party called themselves. Fox advertises themselves as "Fair and Balanced", buy doesn't make it so.
Like I said, despite how the Nazi's defined their brand of fascism, fascism and socialism are still generally considered to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
Last edited by Rockntractor; 06-09-2009 at 09:25 AM.
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