Thread: 1984 Discussion Thread.
07-05-2009, 09:12 PM
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The John Hurt film pops up on IFC a couple times a year. I think it is a well-made adaptation.
I have not seen the 1956 film.
08-05-2009, 08:32 PM
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War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery
The three governing slogans of INGSOC and if you stop to think about it the Unity Party USA
08-05-2009, 09:00 PM
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There's actually a really interesting cartoon that contrasts Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" and "1984".
Basically if you don't feel like reading the cartoon, it takes about how Orwell was worried that governments would become totalitarian through force, coersion, and controlling information while Huxley was worried government would become totalitarian because citizens would become too enamored with entertainment and would not even be concerned about their diminishing freedoms due to being distracted by "American's Next Top Model". Interesting since both seem to be partially right.
08-06-2009, 09:07 AM
But what was the purpose of newspeak?
By messing with the language you can control people. Words no longer have meaning or no longer have the ability to express the subtlety of thought needed to communicate things such as outrage or dissatisfaction.
It allows for great manipulation of the masses.
We see this now in how some organizations are destroying our language with the purpose of undermining our freedom. Freedom of religion, as it once was understood, has now been turned upside down to mean freedom FROM religion. It destroys the whole intent of the first amendment, and lays the groundwork to take all freedoms away.
Welfare becomes a tax cut - despite that you need to pay taxes in order to get a cut! It worked as a control measure and people actually believed Obama gave tax cuts to people who paid no taxes in the first place.
It is now humane to allow despots like Saddam Hussein to go on murdering innocents by the millions and it is a war crime to attempt to end it.
Torture has been defined downward to include placing a single caterpillar - confined to a box no less - in the same room as a terrorist.
Terrorists are called freedom fighters despite fighting FOR oppression.
Control of the language means control of the masses.
1984 was not just a critique of Stalin.
It was a warning.
We are not listening.
Also, it is a bit unsettling that SINCE this thread has started, one of topics from one of Ginger's posts has ALSO seen light in in this administration.
Early on we meet Winston's neighbor. Discuss his neighbor's family in terms of Nazism and in terms of both conservative and liberal lifestyle and mindset. How are they different or the same? Are there parraells between Winston's neighbor's family life and anything you see in our own society?
Sort of like what Obama has asked people do if they discuss anything contrary to the party line on health care.I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
08-06-2009, 09:50 AMGun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound - Unknown
The problem is Empty People, Not Loaded Guns - Linda Schrock Taylor
08-08-2009, 12:00 AM
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I've heard of Idiocracy but it's kind of hard to watch anything with Luke Wilson in it
11-01-2009, 06:45 PM
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1984. I read that book during my High School "formative" years. I considered it an effort at Science Fiction with a warning based on societal trends even back then observable to the astute political observer.
Since the advent of the ObamaNation, I read it again this past Spring. Mainly because there were a LOT of comparisons being made between the Obama agenda and the conditions outlined in the Orwell book, politically speaking.
While the coefficient of coincidence is not yet uniform, the trends DO seem, to me at any rate, to be merging. I find that worrying. Primarily because the Orwell society of Big Brother subverts the individual into a sheeplike mass of humanity, incapable of individual thought (and if you do, you are subversive), action other than that decided (and/or dictated) by the Government and completely robs one of self determination.
I once lived in a Country where all these "individualistic" things were guaranteed by the Law of the Land. I still live in that Country, but I am constantly reminded that certain "Orwellian" aspects to our society are slowly creeping it's way into our lives. It's not just Obama (although I DO accuse him of "picking up the pace" a bit), it's been going on for nearly two generations now.
As for "NewSpeak", it is nothing more than a means by which to "condition" the language away from subtle nuances thereof, giving life to more "black and white" observances rather than examination of the "grey areas". For the subdued (read: dummied down) mind the "either/or" selection is easier to make than a myriad of "what ifs" or contingencies. To get the "choice" of two you want to evoke, one merely has to "demonize" the "other side". I suggest that this is MOST prevalent in today's Policical scene. ("You're either for us or against us!" No thought, no analysis, no compromise...... no prisoners.)
Anyway, you get my drift.
LSThe first sign of impending serfdom is when you trade your self determination, your individual responsibility and your vote to the Government in return for subsistance. -LS-
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