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  1. #1 Do Most Catholic Bishops Support Obama? 
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    " Gilgoff's strategy is to divide and conquer ."

    The Roman Catholic bishops who attacked President Obama's recent appearance at Notre Dame and who've called for pro-abortion rights politicians to be denied communion constitute a minority. Most of the roughly 275 U.S. Catholic bishops have kept quiet about both controversies.


    Liberal Catholics claim this silent majority disagrees with strident public pronouncements from outspokenly conservative bishops. Most U.S. bishops, they say, think Notre Dame was right to invite the president—and that Catholic elected officials should receive communion regardless of their stance on abortion.

    Catholic scholar David O'Brien makes the case in the latest National Catholic Reporter:

    As Catholic bishops gather in San Antonio this week, they face some tough questions. Their most recent engagements with politics sharpened divisions within the church and left the bishops shaken, even embarrassed....

    The shrill reaction of many bishops to President Obama's election and visit to Notre Dame reflected a grim image of an embattled church hunkered down against hostile enemies....

    Only a few seem able to resist. One who does so is retired San Francisco Archbishop Emeritus John Quinn. As the ugly rhetoric heated up this spring, Quinn argued that even "where there are grave divisions as there are on abortion," Catholics should recognize that it is in "the interest of both the church and the nation to work together in civility, honesty, and friendship for the common good."

    Here's my question to Catholics, like O'Brien, who allege that outbursts of anti-Obama sentiment by some bishops has left the majority of U.S. bishops " shaken, even embarrassed": Is there any hard evidence for that case?

    O'Brien cites one retired bishop who publicly broke ranks with the anti-Obama-at-Notre Dame bishops. That's a thin reed on which to claim that most Catholic bishops reject the hard-line anti-Obama statements coming from some of their ilk. I'd like to see some real evidence for this theory, widely held by liberal Catholics. For me, the silence of most U.S. bishops doesn't suffice.
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    Lets say this once and for all....If you are a Catholic that supports Obama, then you are no Catholic. I dont know what you are, maybe you are a Pagan or a Satanist, but you are not a Catholic.

    Anyone who supports a President that supports abortion and says they are a good Catholic is a dirty rotten low down sleazy floor flushing dirtbag.
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    Quinn is evil - or if not evil, so dysfunctional he’s the closest thing to it. He was actually removed because of his problems in SF, and under JPII, this means that he was truly, truly horrible. So I’m puzzled as to why they would use him as a spokesman.

    Well, not really. This is the last gasp of the Jadot bishops, the old line “Spirit of Vatican II Uber Alles” guys who destroyed the Church in the US and therefore are the darlings of the journalistic world. They’re dying off, but not fast enough. Unfortunately, there are still enough of them - bishops of dwindling, bankrupt dioceses, but USCCB bishops nonetheless - to outnumber the new crop of good bishops, appointed by BXVI or at the very end of JPII’s reign when the US was given a new nuncio.
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    There are those who believe the third secret from Fatima that was to be, but never revealed in 1960 as requested by the Blessed Mother, predicted the recent apostasy in the Church.
    It certainly appears the liberal clergy, namely the American Bishops, will continue to ignore the politically incorrect beliefs of Roman Catholicism.

    We Catholics should take comfort because Christ said the "Gates of Hell" will not prevail against His Church.

    Obama speaking at Notre Dame was, without doubt, an abomination of desolation as described in the Bible.

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    I love how you always post the most inflammatory comments you can find, meg. How about you actually say something instead of copy/pasting wholesale.
    You determine how the conversation goes. Keep it clean, and you'll get nothing but honest discussion. Start flaming, and it's party time. :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by thinker View Post
    I love how you always post the most inflammatory comments you can find, meg. How about you actually say something instead of copy/pasting wholesale.
    Hey dill weed maybe he agrees with what he posted and just maybe thats his way of "saying" something.
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    At least the spelling and punctuation are tolerably correct when he cuts and pastes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    At least the spelling and punctuation are tolerably correct when he cuts and pastes.
    Mr. Moo performs a valuable service to us all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Mr. Moo performs a valuable service to us all!
    By making all of our posts look brilliant by comparison? :p
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    Well, considering that time you couldn't be bothered to do the research on Notre Dame. . .he doesn't always make you look brilliant.

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    Context doesn't matter to this liberal it seems/ as long as it satisfies his godless dreams/ like monkeys throwing sh!t as castles in air/ as long as he throws/that is the extent of his care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CueSi View Post
    Well, considering that time you couldn't be bothered to do the research on Notre Dame. . .he doesn't always make you look brilliant.

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    I did not look that up, you're right. Still, one instance out of several years of posting isn't a bad average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars1701a View Post
    Hey dill weed maybe he agrees with what he posted and just maybe thats his way of "saying" something.
    Hey, tool, maybe it's completely f*cking cowardly to copy/paste on a board where you're supposed to actually state your own views...and considering that posting on any internet board doesn't exactly require a whole lot of courage to begin with, it's pretty sad that you can be cowardly on one. However, you and meg both qualify.

    It's completely, 100% lame to post inflammatory comments like this from another site or article without comment. Either support them, criticize them, or just don't post them. Dumping them and leaving them is just flamebait.
    You determine how the conversation goes. Keep it clean, and you'll get nothing but honest discussion. Start flaming, and it's party time. :D
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