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    It looks ominous now, but I think it would be a mistake to assume that the Muslim population will not eventually fall to the same pressures that inevitably exert themselves upon populations... forces that eventually slow their growth... hopefully such forces will exert themselves before western culture is completely overrun.

    Hopefully, western education and western prosperity will act to dilute of religious militance.... just as it tends to do with other religious traditions. Prosperity/knowledge ultimately lead to rejection of religion (or at least the more militant aspects of it, with a few exceptions), and a greater intellectual humility. The incentives to reproduce will lessen as prosperity increases, and as religious motives behind reproduction decrease. Its really hard to see how Muslims will maintain such large families in western societies indefinitely. Same with Mexicans. Something will give, eventually.



    The best thing we could do is make sure Muslims get a good education, and equal opportunity. You guys will be praying for more of those good ol atheist professors at Universities.;)
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    greater intellectual humility? You are kidding, aren't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    No, thanks. I think I'll wait to panic when it's time. I've been reading about it on various other sites since i can't get it to play, and it sounds like it doesn't source its information, so to me that would make it not very useful.
    Pick up a copy of the book America Alone by Mark Steyn.. Very troubling.
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    I'd like to see those numbers verified - but I can't see any obvious flaws. BTW - as far as stormfront - while I agree that they will love this video - they will love it for the fear factor not for the message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post

    The best thing we could do is make sure Muslims get a good education, and equal opportunity. You guys will be praying for more of those good ol atheist professors at Universities.;)
    Right because a good education and great opportunities worked so well in preventing muslims from blowing things up in England. It's not like they were doctors or anything . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by stsinner View Post
    Pick up a copy of the book America Alone by Mark Steyn.. Very troubling.
    I love Mark Steyn. I haven't read that book yet. I'll add it to my list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lager View Post
    greater intellectual humility? You are kidding, aren't you?
    Not at all.

    Ignorance and intellectual incompetence begets extreme intellectual arrogance... and most often, warranted criticisms of such ignorance are mistaken for arrogance, or elitism on the part of the afflicted people (beware of those who incessantly play the 'elitism' card). The ignorant are usually the most arrogant (see creationists).

    Education of course in no way guarantees that one will be humble... but in all likely hood, the well educated will be more humble than their ignorant counterparts.... many of whom are often too hopelessly ignorant and non-self-analytical to recognize the extent to which most of the beliefs they operate by on a daily basis have been challenged.

    Being exposed to diverse sets of competing ideas in an educational way forces one to face the problems of their beliefs, ideally.... at least if education is being done right.

    And it shows.... religiosity declines the more education one has. I don't think Islam is immune to the "corrupting" influence of western education... and we should be thankful. ;)

    edit: I am NOT saying that it takes a college education to be educated, or that a college education will guarantee that one is lacks ignorance and has competence... just that it helps to a measurable degree, generally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    I'd like to see those numbers verified - but I can't see any obvious flaws. BTW - as far as stormfront - while I agree that they will love this video - they will love it for the fear factor not for the message.
    Plus the video treated Hispanic immigration as a GOOD thing...they didn't call them illegals, they didn't disparage them in any way, shape or form. They almost implied it was Latino immigration keeping American culture afloat. But they stopped short.

    Methinks Stromfront don't quite see it like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CueSi View Post
    Plus the video treated Hispanic immigration as a GOOD thing...they didn't call them illegals, they didn't disparage them in any way, shape or form. They almost implied it was Latino immigration keeping American culture afloat. But they stopped short.

    Methinks Stromfront don't quite see it like that.

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    And I'm sure they will completely ignore the ultimate message stated at the end as well.
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    And for those who think education will stop them. . . please consider that Osama Bin Laden has a degree in engineering, and many of the higher echelon of Al-Quaida DO have their Masters or Doctorates. Many of the 9/11 hijackers were white collar guys in their former lives. It's a smug person who thinks that education is a panacea against radical Islam.

    And when you consider that many or these "atheist professors" hold Christianity a greater threat than Islam, it rings hollow indeed.

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    Context doesn't matter to this liberal it seems/ as long as it satisfies his godless dreams/ like monkeys throwing sh!t as castles in air/ as long as he throws/that is the extent of his care.
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