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  1. #1 Creepy, revealing quote from White House staffer 
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    The White House is smoking mad at Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas), who says he's voting against the climate bill — despite the lobbying of the entire First Family in the Oval Office last night.



    If the bill goes down, Obama won't forget Doggett's role, Democrats say.
    It's "stunning that he would ignore the wishes not just of his president, but of his constituents and the country,” said an administration official.

    This has become an emerging theme among both the White House and House leadership: that progressive members of Congress have an obligation to carry out "the wishes of the President" even when they disagree (now, apparently, it's "stunning" when they defy his dictates). That was the same subservient mentality that led House Democrats who admitted they opposed the war supplemental spending and/or the foreign bank bailout to nonetheless vote for the bill: because they President favored it. The duty of Congress is not to obey the wishes of the President.

    Note, too, that the sort of bullying tactics that were used for the war supplemental bill and now for the cap-and-trade bill are only directed towards the House progressives who want legislation to be less beholden to corporate donors; those tactics are never invoked against Blue Dogs who play a vital role in impeding progressive legislation and thus supply the perfect excuse for Democratic leaders as to why such legislation does not pass. Let's see if these tactics are used against Blue Dogs who impede a public option for health care, the repeal of DOMA and Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and various issues relating to the closing of Guantanamo. Will we hear condemnations from Rahm Emanuel's underlings about how stunning and outrageous it is that conservative Democrats are "ignoring the wishes of the President?"

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...0/white_house/
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    Hmmm... It's July 2, and I'm running my pellet stove because it's only 58 degrees and chilled to the bone outside because of the rain... Global warming, my foot!!! Oh, I forgot, people were catching onto the fact taht global warming is a farce, so they renamed it climate change because that covers any change in the climate, which will always happen...

    I salute a Dem that has the guts to vote the truth.
    Obama-if you're being run out of town, get out in front and pretend that it's a parade!!!
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    This doesn't surprise me and good for him. It really isn't a suprise that several ideologically sound socialists think this bill is crap. Check out that Greenpeace thinks it's a load of manure and even uber lib socialist Dennis Kucinich won't even vote for it. :p

    http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/press-...es-waxman-mark

    http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/10478
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    Any Democrat from energy states like TX, LA, OK, MS, etc that votes for Cap and Trade will be dead meat come election time. Obama and the Mrs can get their bowels all riled up but these Democrats are looking out for self preservation which means they want to get re-elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    Any Democrat from energy states like TX, LA, OK, MS, etc that votes for Cap and Trade will be dead meat come election time. Obama and the Mrs can get their bowels all riled up but these Democrats are looking out for self preservation which means they want to get re-elected.
    I dont think Obama is too concerned with those states anyways since he has basically the same chance of winning them in 2012 as he did in 2008 (0).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Japandroid View Post
    I dont think Obama is too concerned with those states anyways since he has basically the same chance of winning them in 2012 as he did in 2008 (0).
    It is not the states he is worried about; it is the members of the House and Senate. Voting against the cap and trade bill by Democrats will kill it. Did you even bother to read the article?
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    I really like cap and trade, forces the market to find an alternative to carbon-based emmisions. This will create new industries and new younger and leaner companies who will be better equipped to grow once the economy begins to rebound. This bill stings in the short term, but it has incentivized alternative energy to the point where R&D when it comes to energy will be the pivotal decision maker on who the most powerful companies will be in the next 5-10 years.

    Innovation is America's strong suit, very nice use of an often flawed system to use our greatest strength to help pull us out of this mess. Probably my favorite Obama policy so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Japandroid View Post
    I really like cap and trade, forces the market to find an alternative to carbon-based emmisions. This will create new industries and new younger and leaner companies who will be better equipped to grow once the economy begins to rebound. This bill stings in the short term, but it has incentivized alternative energy to the point where R&D when it comes to energy will be the pivotal decision maker on who the most powerful companies will be in the next 5-10 years.

    Innovation is America's strong suit, very nice use of an often flawed system to use our greatest strength to help pull us out of this mess. Probably my favorite Obama policy so far.
    Cap and Trade is a job killer and will make our energy cost go thru the roof for products we buy and energy we use in our homes. I compare it to Ethanol. Subsidizing one energy source for another. Punishing the oil industry to pay for hair brain ideas like wind and solar is foolhearty. The only thing cap and trade will create is a bulging amount of revenues for the government. Even an idiot should understand that $5 to $6 gasoline is on its way if this is passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Japandroid View Post
    I really like cap and trade, forces the market to find an alternative to carbon-based emmisions. This will create new industries and new younger and leaner companies who will be better equipped to grow once the economy begins to rebound. This bill stings in the short term, but it has incentivized alternative energy to the point where R&D when it comes to energy will be the pivotal decision maker on who the most powerful companies will be in the next 5-10 years.

    Innovation is America's strong suit, very nice use of an often flawed system to use our greatest strength to help pull us out of this mess. Probably my favorite Obama policy so far.

    You DO know that for every job created, 2-3 jobs will be lost, don't you????


    Even those who wrote the bill acknowledge this IN THE BILL ITSELF (of course they LIE when they talk to the press - in order to fool the stupid amongst us).

    They make plan for years of unemployment benefits to those put out of work by this bill.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h111-2454


    Here are some other consequences if this horrible bill passes.

    * Reduce aggregate gross domestic product (GDP) by $9.4 trillion;
    * Destroy 1,145,000 jobs on average, with peak years seeing unemployment rise by over 2,479,000 jobs;
    * Raise electricity rates 90 percent after adjusting for inflation;
    * Raise inflation-adjusted gasoline prices by 58 percent;
    * Raise residential natural gas prices by 55 percent;
    * Raise an average family's annual energy bill by $1,241; and
    * Result in an increase of $28,728 in additional federal debt per person, again after adjusting for inflation

    http://www.heritage.org/research/ene...ent/wm2450.cfm




    WHY would ANYONE who has even half of a brain support this???
    I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
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    The bill does NOTHING to make industry leaner and more competitive in the future.


    Show me where it does this.


    All it does is steal money from one industry and gives that money to it's competitors who are LESS efficient and have NO proven technology capable of replacing the industries that will be destroyed. (But they DO tend to give money to Democrat candidates!)


    This type of crap is why we are in trouble now. IT IS THE CAUSE of the problem.
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    I long for the days when our President actually liked our country.
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