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    Quote Originally Posted by YupItsMe View Post
    Yes. Tax Revenues increased under Reagan. Dem controlled Congress just spent even more. You can blame miltary spending on Reagan, but it broke the backs of the Soviet Union and ended the Cold War. I'll take deficit spending if it can accomplish that.
    So, you are telling me that it was the fault of the Dems ? ...they forced Reagan/Bush to do what they wanted ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanica View Post
    Dude, you link proved my point, thanks.

    "The federal payroll was larger in 1989 than it had been in 1981," Richard Gamble wrote last month in American Conservative magazine. "Reagan's tax cuts, whatever their merits as short-term fiscal policy, left large and growing budget deficits when combined with increased spending, and added to the national debt."
    To be sure, Mr. Reagan's failure to curb the cost of government reflected the enduring difficulty all presidents face in balancing the government services Americans want with the taxes they're willing to pay. But today it seems, increasingly, that it was Mr. Reagan and his admirer, George W. Bush, who contributed most to the problem of runaway spending, at least among recent presidents.
    Think you left out what they said right before the part you quoted...here's the full paragraph.

    Harwood saved his most audacious line for near the end. After years of NYT caricatures of Reagan as a heartless budget cutter, Harwood suggested Reagan and George W. Bush were to blame for..."runaway spending.

    Perhaps most important, the principal early line of attack Republicans have offered against Mr. Obama, that he is a profligate spender who will run up massive deficits, is also the area where the Reagan Revolution looks most vulnerable today, as critics on the right have pointed out. "The federal payroll was larger in 1989 than it had been in 1981," Richard Gamble wrote last month in American Conservative magazine. "Reagan's tax cuts, whatever their merits as short-term fiscal policy, left large and growing budget deficits when combined with increased spending, and added to the national debt."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Terrier View Post
    Think you left out what they said right before the part you quoted...here's the full paragraph.

    "Harwood saved his most audacious line for near the end. After years of NYT caricatures of Reagan as a heartless budget cutter, Harwood suggested Reagan and George W. Bush were to blame for..."runaway spending."

    Perhaps most important, the principal early line of attack Republicans have offered against Mr. Obama, that he is a profligate spender who will run up massive deficits, is also the area where the Reagan Revolution looks most vulnerable today, as critics on the right have pointed out. "The federal payroll was larger in 1989 than it had been in 1981," Richard Gamble wrote last month in American Conservative magazine. "Reagan's tax cuts, whatever their merits as short-term fiscal policy, left large and growing budget deficits when combined with increased spending, and added to the national debt."
    Why would you want to trash Reagan ? ...what you posted makes him look worse.

    Republicans can't attack Obama for spending, Bush spent for years for no reason, Obama is trying to fix a ruined nation.

    And ...Bush cancelled Paygo ....Obama restored paygo


    You tell me who is trying to controll spending ? ...Bush cancelled Paygo when he was handed the largest surplus in history ...Obama retored Paygo when handed the largest deficit in history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanica View Post
    So, you are telling me that it was the fault of the Dems ? ...they forced Reagan/Bush to do what they wanted ?

    It's called a representative democracy. As much as you wish we had a dictator right now, we don't and never have. Congress writes the laws, President siigns them. Reagan begged for Line Item Veto the whole eight years he was President, but Congress wouldn't allow it. Without line item veto you either shut down the whole country or pass the pork-laden crap that Congress writes. You wouldn't remember this because you weren't even the mess between your mothers legs yet.
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    There is no Obumble "tax cut".

    All they did is change the Federal Withholding. Your paycheck gets enough extra to buy a pack of Obumble taxed cigarettes.

    You're just going to owe more next April.

    rm -rf obama*
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanica View Post
    Why would you want to trash Reagan ? ...what you posted makes him look worse.

    Republicans can't attack Obama for spending, Bush spent for years for no reason, Obama is trying to fix a ruined nation.

    And ...Bush cancelled Paygo ....Obama restored paygo


    You tell me who is trying to controll spending ? ...Bush cancelled Paygo when he was handed the largest surplus in history ...Obama retored Paygo when handed the largest deficit in history.
    from the comments on the article Link
    Harwood the DOPE!
    June 16, 2009 - 17:28 ET by blazermaniac

    He doesn't actually think that anyone would buy his nonsense. Harwood must have forgotton the biggest spender in US Presidential history. You know, the talker that is ruining the country now!
    Time to stop drinking the Kook-aide and come back to reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YupItsMe View Post
    It's called a representative democracy. As much as you wish we had a dictator right now, we don't and never have. Congress writes the laws, President siigns them. Reagan begged for Line Item Veto the whole eight years he was President, but Congress wouldn't allow it. Without line item veto you either shut down the whole country or pass the pork-laden crap that Congress writes. You wouldn't remember this because you weren't even the mess between your mothers legs yet.
    LOL. The prez has a choice.

    Sign the bill or shut the country down ? ...implying no prez has ever sent a bill back without shutting the country down.

    Reagan signed tax INCREASES every single year he was in office(except for the first year) ...these tax increases were not veto proof, he didn't have to sign them....but he did. in fact he requested these increases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanica View Post
    LOL. The prez has a choice.

    Sign the bill or shut the country down ? ...implying no prez has ever sent a bill back without shutting the country down.

    Reagan signed tax INCREASES every single year he was in office(except for the first year) ...these tax increases were not veto proof, he didn't have to sign them....but he did. in fact he requested these increases.
    Links please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    Links please?
    The bills were not veto proof. Reagan could have shelved these bills, he didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanica View Post
    The bills were not veto proof. Reagan could have shelved these bills, he didn't.
    So how is that proof that Reagan requested the tax raises?
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