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    Quote Originally Posted by satanica View Post
    So you would disagree with this statement...

    "The USA is a country"

    And you would agree with this statement...

    "The USA is a group of seperate states that just agree to work together"
    This is what the founding fathers envisioned


    This is what out of control federal government has turned it into.
    I feel that once a black fella has referred to white foks as "honky paleface devil white-trash cracker redneck Caspers," he's abdicated the right to get upset about the "N" word. But that's just me. -- Jim Goad
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanica View Post
    So...

    You think there was no civil war.

    You think Lincoln invaded a neighboring nation and took it over in a bloody coup.

    You also think Lincoln suspended HC rights ? ...who's rights ? ..the neighboring nation ? ..why would they enjoy the rights of the USA ? ..They are a seperate nation ....remember ?

    Holy shit.

    Take a bow, You are a idiot.
    Yes

    Yes

    What, only the USA has a lock on individual rights.
    I dream of the day a chicken can cross the road without it's motives being questioned.

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    Anyone who makes the decision to depend upon the government to take care of their basic needs has essentially doomed himself to a life of bitter disappointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanica View Post
    So you would disagree with this statement...

    "The USA is a country"

    And you would agree with this statement...

    "The USA is a group of seperate states that just agree to work together"
    It is a union of states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    It is a union of states.
    And what is President Obama in charge of ?

    The answer is the NATION.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanica View Post
    And what is President Obama in charge of ?

    The answer is the NATION.
    He is a ceo that serves the union.
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    A conservative leads. A liberal rules!
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    Did President Lincoln suspend the U.S. Constitution?

    Answer: No

    Did President Lincoln suspend Habeas Corpus?

    Answer: Yes, in 1861 and 1862

    Was Habeas Corpus ever restored?

    Answer: Yes, in 1866.



    Here's the story:

    As the Civil War started, in the very beginning of Lincoln's presidential term, a group of "Peace Democrats" proposed a peaceful resolution to the developing Civil War by offering a truce with the South, and forming a constitutional convention to amend the U.S. Constitution to protect States' rights. The proposal was ignored by the Unionists of the North and not taken seriously by the South. However, the Peace Democrats, also called copperheads by their enemies, publicly criticized Lincoln's belief that violating the U.S. Constitution was required to save it as a whole. With Congress not in session until July, Lincoln assumed all powers not delegated in the Constitution, including the power to suspend habeas corpus. In 1861, Lincoln had already suspended civil law in territories where resistance to the North's military power would be dangerous. In 1862, when copperhead democrats began criticizing Lincoln's violation of the Constitution, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus throughout the nation and had many copperhead democrats arrested under military authority because he felt that the State Courts in the north west would not convict war protesters such as the copperheads. He proclaimed that all persons who discouraged enlistments or engaged in disloyal practices would come under Martial Law.
    Among the 13,000 people arrested under martial law was a Maryland Secessionist, John Merryman. Immediately, Hon. Roger B. Taney, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States issued a writ of habeas corpus commanding the military to bring Merryman before him. The military refused to follow the writ. Justice Taney, in Ex parte MERRYMAN, then ruled the suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional because the writ could not be suspended without an Act of Congress. President Lincoln and the military ignored Justice Taney's ruling.

    Finally, in 1866, after the war, the Supreme Court officially restored habeas corpus in Ex-parte Milligan, ruling that military trials in areas where the civil courts were capable of functioning were illegal.
    http://www.civil-liberties.com/pages/did_lincoln.htm
    How about you do a little research, shithead. Lincoln couldn't have suspended Habeas Corpus in the South, because he had no authority. Wanna take a guess why?
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