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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Can I ask as to why this is not in the SLT forum?
    You just did.:D
    I feel that once a black fella has referred to white foks as "honky paleface devil white-trash cracker redneck Caspers," he's abdicated the right to get upset about the "N" word. But that's just me. -- Jim Goad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel Yell View Post
    You just did.:D
    Well! Can we answer him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Can I ask as to why this is not in the SLT forum?
    Truther idiocy knows no political affiliation. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    ..and they were responsible for what he did...how? Going to do the same to the family of every criminal?



    ..so you want to punish them for something they had nothing to do with.



    Seeing as how they didnt want them hurt by some lunatic who believed that they were somehow responsible for what their crazy family member did.." you do not visit the sins of the fathers on the heads of the sons"...sound familiar?

    Aside from being his relatives, what proof do you have that they had anything to do with 9/11?



    ..or fall under mob rule for the "crime" of being related to some lunatic.

    Name one offence or crime they had committed?
    Sounds like you're more 'liberal' than me on the issue of giving preferential treatment to wealthy foreign nationals -- :eek:

    I mean, that is exactly what we're talking about here. Instead of making them wait their turn, wait until the FBI could thoroughly review their backgrounds and financials, this process was expedited... When American families were still digging out their dead!!

    **Six degrees of separation (2-3 when talking about family)

    **Blood is thicker than water (to find out what they might have known the FBI should have conducted individual interviews and extensive background checks which takes more than a few days)

    **Due Diligence can take weeks in a criminal investigation. (Tell them to shack up in the St. Regis and we'll get to them when we're done holding funerals for firemen and policemen. 'kay?)

    That's all I'm saying. So what if these people had to be inconvenienced for a few weeks/months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Truther idiocy knows no political affiliation. ;)
    Sure it does. Insanity is their side of the aisle.
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    Hey SuperCrash, why don't you bring up Election 2000 too???
    Might as well bring all the nutty stuff out...:D

    And jeez people, SC is obviously baiting us, why even answer this retarded shit? :p

    And everyone in "Teh Know" knows Lord Rove let the Saudi's out first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Sounds like you're more 'liberal' than me on the issue of giving preferential treatment to wealthy foreign nationals -- :eek:

    I mean, that is exactly what we're talking about here. Instead of making them wait their turn, wait until the FBI could thoroughly review their backgrounds and financials, this process was expedited... When American families were still digging out their dead!!

    **Six degrees of separation (2-3 when talking about family)

    **Blood is thicker than water (to find out what they might have known the FBI should have conducted individual interviews and extensive background checks which takes more than a few days)

    **Due Diligence can take weeks in a criminal investigation. (Tell them to shack up in the St. Regis and we'll get to them when we're done holding funerals for firemen and policemen. 'kay?)

    That's all I'm saying. So what if these people had to be inconvenienced for a few weeks/months.
    Do you really think there were/are any relatives of bin Laden living in the US that the FBI hadn't already checked out thoroughly both before they got to the US and while they were here? I'm sure every aunt, uncle, cousin, and nephew is researched and investigated by the FBI, who probably have very thick files on each and every one of them. I bet many were under constant surveillance. Given that, how much more investigation was needed? Not much. And legally they had done nothing wrong, so how would you justify detaining them once flying was allowed again and they wanted to book flights home fearing a massive backlash against all Muslims but especially relatives of bin Laden? I'm sure the administration didn't want a headline like "young niece of bin Laden killed by angry American crowd" either, so they helped to get them home once flying was resumed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samurai View Post
    Do you really think there were/are any relatives of bin Laden living in the US that the FBI hadn't already checked out thoroughly both before they got to the US and while they were here? I'm sure every aunt, uncle, cousin, and nephew is researched and investigated by the FBI, who probably have very thick files on each and every one of them. I bet many were under constant surveillance. Given that, how much more investigation was needed? Not much. And legally they had done nothing wrong, so how would you justify detaining them once flying was allowed again and they wanted to book flights home fearing a massive backlash against all Muslims but especially relatives of bin Laden? I'm sure the administration didn't want a headline like "young niece of bin Laden killed by angry American crowd" either, so they helped to get them home once flying was resumed.
    I always try to be supportive of the FBI and other federal law enforcement. However, back in 2000, they had information about foreign nationals taking flying lessons but not wanting to know how to land the plane.... So, yes and no--to answer your question.

    The FBI was not on the Bin Laden family 24/7 -- why? Because the Bin Laden family has a lot of money and influence. They have lawyers and representatives who pave the way for them when traveling or living in the U.S. and make a lot of noise anytime they are bothered.

    No, I don't think a young niece being killed or harmed would have be good PR for the US. However, to the extent that in the days following 9/11 any FBI agent had to waste 1 minute of his time to help expedite a rushed vetting of Bin Laden relatives and other Saudis is not right.--IMO.

    Gee, weren't there people all over this country that wanted to get to NYC to see if their son or daughter who worked the WTC was still alive? How about getting those people on a plane before we worry about the Bin Ladens feeling safe. How many average Americans wanted some sort of special consideration in days following 9/11?

    We know how many average muslims (some American citizens) were 'vetted' and investigated by the FBI in the days and months following 9/11.

    Due Diligence. Sure the FBI had all the papers and info filed by the Bin Laden's lawyers and reps. But in a criminal investigation you're looking for the stuff people don't want to tell you about. Every cell phone call, every hotel bill, ever credit card charge, every bank statement, every known associate-- that is all normal in a criminal investigation. But when the order comes down--we must clear these folks ASAP -- due diligence is gone because then it's happening on someone else's time table.

    Show me where we can get this info:

    Out of all the Bin Laden relatives, who was the last to see Osama and when?
    Did any of the Bin Laden relatives ever give any money to any type of moderate or extreme group with any type of anti-west or anti-American view? (I already know the answer - yes - but getting more details - good luck)
    Did any of the Bin Landen relatives ever go to school or room with anyone affiliated with an anti-American group?
    Did any person(s) working for a Bin Laden relative ever hear him/her mention their brother? Or contact their brother?

    The list of reasonable questions you would ask the relatives of someone behind a mass murder of American citizens could go on and on. How long were these people interviewed for after 9/11?

    Money and economics. They pull their money from our banks and the S hits the fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I always try to be supportive of the FBI and other federal law enforcement. However, back in 2000, they had information about foreign nationals taking flying lessons but not wanting to know how to land the plane.... So, yes and no--to answer your question.

    The FBI was not on the Bin Laden family 24/7 -- why? Because the Bin Laden family has a lot of money and influence. They have lawyers and representatives who pave the way for them when traveling or living in the U.S. and make a lot of noise anytime they are bothered.

    No, I don't think a young niece being killed or harmed would have be good PR for the US. However, to the extent that in the days following 9/11 any FBI agent had to waste 1 minute of his time to help expedite a rushed vetting of Bin Laden relatives and other Saudis is not right.--IMO.

    Gee, weren't there people all over this country that wanted to get to NYC to see if their son or daughter who worked the WTC was still alive? How about getting those people on a plane before we worry about the Bin Ladens feeling safe. How many average Americans wanted some sort of special consideration in days following 9/11?

    We know how many average muslims (some American citizens) were 'vetted' and investigated by the FBI in the days and months following 9/11.

    Due Diligence. Sure the FBI had all the papers and info filed by the Bin Laden's lawyers and reps. But in a criminal investigation you're looking for the stuff people don't want to tell you about. Every cell phone call, every hotel bill, ever credit card charge, every bank statement, every known associate-- that is all normal in a criminal investigation. But when the order comes down--we must clear these folks ASAP -- due diligence is gone because then it's happening on someone else's time table.

    Show me where we can get this info:

    Out of all the Bin Laden relatives, who was the last to see Osama and when?
    Did any of the Bin Laden relatives ever give any money to any type of moderate or extreme group with any type of anti-west or anti-American view? (I already know the answer - yes - but getting more details - good luck)
    Did any of the Bin Landen relatives ever go to school or room with anyone affiliated with an anti-American group?
    Did any person(s) working for a Bin Laden relative ever hear him/her mention their brother? Or contact their brother?

    The list of reasonable questions you would ask the relatives of someone behind a mass murder of American citizens could go on and on. How long were these people interviewed for after 9/11?

    Money and economics. They pull their money from our banks and the S hits the fan.


    4th and 5th Amendment.

    FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

    FIFTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb, nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.'
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    Sounds like you're more 'liberal' than me on the issue of giving preferential treatment to wealthy foreign nationals -- :eek:
    Give me one crime that they had committed and would be prima facie grounds for arrest and I'll change my mind. If not, then they had every right to leave and o justrifiable cause to hgold them.

    Do the words "false imprisonment" ring a bell?

    **Blood is thicker than water (to find out what they might have known the FBI should have conducted individual interviews and extensive background checks which takes more than a few days)
    On what premise? On what charges? With what evidence?

    **Due Diligence can take weeks in a criminal investigation. (Tell them to shack up in the St. Regis and we'll get to them when we're done holding funerals for firemen and policemen. 'kay?)
    Illlegal search and seizure, not to mention false arrest, false imprisonment..it's called rule of law, jackass.

    That's all I'm saying. So what if these people had to be inconvenienced for a few weeks/months.
    A pesky little thing called the US Constitution.

    Moron.
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