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  1. #1 Fragile Unity at DU is already starting to unravel 
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    And buyers remorse is starting to set in. The obamites are reframing the message and it's not exactly what those self professed liberal progressives signed on for. So deliciously funny.

    jenmito (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-06-08 09:43 PM
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    Obama never claimed to be a liberal. We voted for him on his platform of bringing people together.

    Advertisements [?]Edited on Sun Jul-06-08 09:48 PM by jenmito
    He's supposedly "post-partisan." And I think he's behaving consistent with that message. He's no Kucinich. He's no Lieberman, either. He wants to WIN. Do you realize how many talking points he's taking away from the Repubs.? McCain sounds ridiculous trying to paint him as a "flip-flopper" on Iraq since there are tons of videos to prove him wrong (luckily, McCain's not that familiar with "the google.") He also sounds ridiculous trying to paint him as a "loony leftist" when he says things like, "Obama may not have agreed with the Supreme Court's ruling on THIS case, but..." Obama ran a TERRIFICALLY planned primary campaign, beating the entire Clinton machine. I think he knows exactly what he's doing to win the presidency and he will be a president who lives up to the majority of America's and the world's expectations (IMO).
    The following people aren't showing the proper Obama adulation. Their neighbors have noticed and been duly reported. They're on the list:

    grizmaster (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-06-08 09:52 PM
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    7. He hasn't reached across the aisle he JUMPED across
    Sorry, the moment Obama stated he is against the 4th amendment he was done in my eyes. I will be focusing on supporting true Democrats in the Senate and House to protect us from Obama.
    highprincipleswork (27 posts) Sun Jul-06-08 11:05 PM
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    50. Abandoning principle is not winning
    When all he needs to do right now is to solidify the Hillary vote and continue to add new voters, choosing to piss of any progressive or liberal within gunshot is not likely to win the election for him.

    This is the same failed and faulty policy that sunk Al Gore and John Kerry. Appeal to the mythical "center", which is way to the right of anything I would ever consider and way to the right, in my opinion, of Americans in general.

    Wooing the evangelicals and righwingers is the way to go?

    Principles work and people are hungry for a principle-based candidate. Straying off of your own message and brand in that way can be fatally destructive over time.
    Gilligan (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-08-08 01:52 PM
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    215. I believe
    that Obama threw me under the bus when he told me he would never vote for the FISA bill and then... guess what? He says he's aboard the FISA express.

    He abandoned his principals when he did that.

    I also do not believe the person you are responding to asked anyone to bow to their principals. Looks like they just placed an opinion on a internet board meant to post opinions.

    The Democratic Party's future? It is being decided by the likes of Nancy Pelosi.

    Oh, and please tell me to shut the fuck up because I have an opinion about what Senator Obama is doing with his campaign. Principals mean a lot to voters these days.
    Watching someone flail around, looking at the windsock to see which way the wind blows, impresses no one.
    JoFerret (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 10:58 PM
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    151. It counts
    but it is not impressive.

    Obama was smart - no footprints.(This not necessarily a bad thing)
    northzax (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 06:50 PM
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    119. he's been against a lot of things when his vote didn't count
    but I thought he'd stick on this one, I must say
    Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-06-08 10:54 PM
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    44. I've seen plenty of DUers who are angry because they were convinced that he was more liberal
    than he is now displaying. The issue is that he's not liberal and never has been.
    bowens43 (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-06-08 10:45 PM
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    38. That's not why I voted for him.
    I voted for him because he claimed that he was going to change the way politics works in this country. He hasn't and it looks as if he doesn't intend to.
    T.Ruth2power (353 posts) Sun Jul-06-08 10:59 PM
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    48. You didn't say anything
    "Bringing people together" means absolutely nothing.

    "Just winning" means absolutely nothing.
    Skittles (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-06-08 11:02 PM
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    49. the spin is making me sick n/t
    LWolf (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 01:16 PM
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    91. I'll be more blunt:
    "bringing people together" = compromising democratic principles and issues while moving democrats into republican principles and goals.

    "change we can believe in" = leaving the left wing behind, and becoming a party of dinos.

    Listening to his words, looking at his record, reading his policy positions, that's what I've heard since he first opened his campaign.

    I am not alone in that assessment, although you won't hear too much of that at DU.
    tomp (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 05:12 PM
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    110. maybe you voted for him.
    not me. his "bringing people together" is exactly the problem- he wants to "reach across the aisle" to the repubs. not for me thanks.
    jenmito (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 06:33 PM
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    116. Who DID you vote for?
    And who WILL you vote for?
    LOL! This is going to end well, I'm sure.

    LostinVA (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 07:51 PM
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    122. I don't need to prove my cred on DU, and I don't do tacit loyalty oaths
    Skittles is right.
    Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 09:18 PM
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    131. If you look at the voting records....you will find the truth
    Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 09:23 PM by Evergreen Emerald
    And of course we are not supposed to be fighting the primaries or I would go into detail about your kyl/lieberman lie.

    The voting records prove who is the more liberal Senator: Clinton.

    And with regard to you suggesting that you have the FUCKING RIGHT TO HAVE ANYONE PROVE THEIR LOYALTY TO OBAMA: why the hell should anyone answer YOU?
    Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 09:57 PM
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    134. Who are you? The Loyalty Oath Nazi?
    Last time I checked, liking a DEMOCRATIC senator wasn't grounds for dismissal from DU.
    LostinVA (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 10:41 PM
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    137. Oh, so now I don't belong here unless I kowtow you to, eh?
    I was just amusing myself until "The Mole" came on, but you have GOT to be FUCKING kidding me. I belong here and I'm staying here, no matter whose dumb list I'm on. Fuck off.*

    *Betcha I'll get deleted but Jenmito's post won't.
    Bjornsdotter (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 11:02 PM
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    153. Entitlement?


    ....for some reason you feel that because you asked a question you deserve an answer, however you asked a question where the answer is none of your business.

    How someone votes is their business and only their business.

    This recent trend is very disturbing and reeks of Big Brother.

    What's next a loyalty oath?
    Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-07-08 11:33 PM
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    155. One, you have NO RIGHT to demand an answer to that question.
    Two, you have NO RIGHT to even SUGGEST that anybody doesn't belong on DU. That's up to the admins, and the admins only. Who in the holy fuck do you think you ARE, anyway?

    And just between you and me, where the fuck do you get off saying that shit to LostinVA, of all people? She's a better democrat than most of the Obama supporters here--of which I am one--and NOBODY should condescend to question her creds.
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    A bunch of 50 somethings acting like 12 year olds girls arguing over a teen idol...

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    And conservatives are accused of divisiveness and segregation. If only liberals and progressives understood political history they'd realize that their more connected to Fascism than most fascists. I don't see how anyone can spend more than 5 seconds in that morass of asses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConJinx View Post
    And conservatives are accused of divisiveness and segregation. If only liberals and progressives understood political history they'd realize that their more connected to Fascism than most fascists. I don't see how anyone can spend more than 5 seconds in that morass of asses.
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    So what I get from this DUmmy, is pledge your support to the fatherland and to fearless leader or pay the price.


    Hmmm this sounds familiar.


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    People, Obama is a POLITICIAN. If you haven't figured that out. Wait. DUers aren't that smart. :D
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    When they got rid of all the Hillary supporters, they ended up having to eat each other alive. It's like watching a car wreck, but knowing who Obama was, we knew it had to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InspiredHome View Post
    People, Obama is a POLITICIAN. If you haven't figured that out. Wait. DUers aren't that smart. :D
    Shhh. Some lurking DUmmies might figure it out.
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    jenmito (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-06-08 09:43 PM
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    Obama never claimed to be a liberal. We voted for him on his platform of bringing people together.
    Say what?

    1. If Obama wasn't claiming to be a liberal, then why espouse liberal positions and get the likes of Ted Kennedy to support him? Because he was really a conservative tricking the base and taking advantage of an old man with a brain tumor? Does jenmito understand that this is what she is implying when she says that Obama was never a liberal?

    2. If the liberal base voted for Obama against its own long-held convictions just because it wanted "people brought together" in some kind of kumbaya, Extreme Home Makeover orgasm of emotion, then wouldn't it have been easier for the Dems to run Ty Pennington on the same platform? At least old Ty isn't connected to the Chicago mob, and we would have all gotten free tools from Sears.

    Seriously, jenmito sounds like one of the 400 internet troops hired by the Obama campaign to run off all opposition and spread disinformation.
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    highprincipleswork (27 posts) Sun Jul-06-08 11:05 PM
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    50. Abandoning principle is not winning
    Winning at all costs is the closest thing to a principle most libs have.

    jenmito (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-06-08 09:43 PM
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    Obama never claimed to be a liberal. We voted for him on his platform of bringing people together.

    I think he knows exactly what he's doing to win the presidency and he will be a president who lives up to the majority of America's and the world's expectations (IMO).
    1. If a liberal doesn't come out and shout the words, they never claim to be anything, even if all their actions scream it. Conservatives of course, can be millions of things they never claim or act like, just because libs don't like them.

    2. Those expectations are to be the worst socialist ever elected into American office, the one who will tax us six feet into the ground while telling us it's for the greater good, and generate more entitlement mentality citizens to herd around like cattle.
    Romans 6:18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

    Differences between Obama and God: God's plan to save us is actually written down for people to read. Rush Limbaugh.

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