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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    Pro Israel bullshit that only tells the filthy Israeli side and leaves out the 60 years of killing and taking of land.

    To say that the Israelis looked after the welfare of the Palestinians is like saying the Nazis looked after the welfare of the Jews. From the Nazi perspective it was true but the Jews have a slightly different view.

    If you want to play Google Wars I can post tons of links to accounts of Israeli brutality. You want me to post some of the accounts?

    It is really amazing what the pro Israel supporters will do to give the Israelis a pass on everything. Everything from attacking America to killing Palestinian women and child and kicking Palestinian families out of their homes. My God that is shitty, isn't it?
    Why do you use all of those "filthy" Israeli conveniences in your everyday life, hypocrite?

    I have seen enough of your stormfront URL's, thank ya very much.

    What is more shitty, is a piece of shit siding with terrorist like Hamas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    So if the goddamn UN decides to partition parts of America so that Third Worlders can move in you aren't going to fight back?

    Who in the hell is the UN to decided that the fucking European and Russians get the land and the Palestinians have to suck it up? The Palestinians had been living on that land for generations.

    You must really like the UN making choices for you, donít you? You sound like a fucking Liberal.

    Also, look at the maps I posted earlier. The fucking Israeli bastards weren't even satisifed with what the UN gave them. Over the years they have stolen more land from the Palestinians. Lots more.

    My God you are ignorant and don't have a clue what really happen.
    I may not be the brightest color in the box, but at least I am not a hateful piece of shit.

    Nevermind that the Palestinians attacked the Jooooos in 1948 and got their asses handed to them. That must really piss you off that your terror supporting buddies got their asses kicked in 1948-49 and they still are.

    Tough shit. Like someone else said, go fight for Hamas. Terrorist supporter.
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    Just wondering again, but what if the money taxpayers paid are actually only be used for advancement in military equipment and national security, for example? What if the money used to finance the Israelis is actually coming from their own banks and funds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator View Post
    You have it backwards.

    The Palestinians are the one that were attacked the day the European immigrants showed up in 1947. They have been under attack ever since. They are surrounded by the enemy. The enemy has been given the top of the line American made weapons like Apache helicopters and F-16s. You can kill a lot of people and destroy a lot of homes with an Apache helicopters. The Israelis have it down pat.

    How do you feel about your hard earned tax money being used to kill Palestinian children? You like the idea your tax money is being used to subsidize the Israelis kicking people out of their homes to make room for new immigrants?

    By the way, you do pay taxes, don't you?
    I do think Israel could be a little bit more self-reliant, but this isn't really about the tax money. While innocents do die in war, I believe the IDF does more than nearly or any other military to prevent civilian casualties.

    The story as I understand it is that the Jews and Arabs were given a choice to accept a partition or not. Jews in the area accepted, and got Israel. The Arabs rejected it and started war.
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    What gator and his ilk always ignore is that there are muslim arabs in the Israeli government. Facts do not fit with their propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    While innocents do die in war, I believe the IDF does more than nearly or any other military to prevent civilian casualties.
    And while the IDF goes out of it's way to avoid civilian casualties as best it can, Mr. Moral Clarity's friends, Hamas, go out of their way to cause civilian casualties, either by directly targeting them or using them as cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zathras View Post
    And while the IDF goes out of it's way to avoid civilian casualtise as best it can, Mr. Moral Clarity's friends, Hamas, go out of their way to cause civilian casualties, either by directly targeting them or using them as cover.
    I keep thinking that Hamas almost never uses themselves or their family members for these missions. They use somebody else's family members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teetop View Post
    I may not be the brightest color in the box, but at least I am not a hateful piece of shit.

    Nevermind that the Palestinians attacked the Jooooos in 1948 and got their asses handed to them. That must really piss you off that your terror supporting buddies got their asses kicked in 1948-49 and they still are.

    Tough shit. Like someone else said, go fight for Hamas. Terrorist supporter.
    You idiot.

    The war stated when the friggin boatloads of immigrants landed and demanded land.

    The immigrants started the war with the Palestinians. The Palestinians had been living there for many generations and the goddamn Europeans immigrants wanted the land. The fucking UN went along with it. The Israelis are the aggressors and the Palestinians are the oppressed.

    You really don't have a clue how it happened do you?

    Hamas is a way for the Palestinian to fight back.
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    Jewish Settlement in the Land of Israel



    The Jewish people's presence in the Land of Israel has been maintained unbroken since biblical times. This physical presence existed throughout the centuries of dispersion, and in each generation Jews came - in larger or smaller groups - to settle in their ancient homeland.

    During the 400 years of Ottoman rule, the Land of Israel was divided into four districts, attached to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. By the end of the 18th century, the country had suffered from widespread neglect, taxation was crippling, the great forests of the Galilee and the Carmel mountains were denuded of trees and the country was sparsely populated, mainly by impoverished tenant farmers. The 19th century saw the first signs of progress, when Britain, France, Russia, Austria and the US opened consulates in Jerusalem, postal and telegraphic connections were installed and the first road connecting Jaffa and Jerusalem was built.

    The situation of the country's Jews slowly improved, and their numbers increased substantially. By the middle of the 19th century Jews had built the first neighborhood outside the city walls of Jerusalem, land for farming was purchased throughout the country and the Hebrew language was revived as a spoken tongue.

    The agricultural school Mikve Israel, east of Jaffa, was founded in 1870 by the Alliance Israelite Universelle, to train Jewish pioneers, from urban environments in Europe, in agricultural work. In 1878 the first moshava, Petah Tikva, was established.

    The pogroms in Russia and Romania in 1882 led to the First Aliya (wave of immigration) and the foundation of agricultural villages: Rishon Lezion, Ekron, Zichron Ya'akov and Rosh Pinah.




    Members of the Bilu movement also began to arrive in 1882. The first organized group of pioneers, they preceded the Zionist movement by fifteen years. Some settled in Mikve Israel and Rishon Lezion, others founded Gedera in the coastal plain, which became known as the Bilu settlement.

    Some of the newcomers joined the old yishuv, while the majority, in both towns and rural settlements, contributed to a modern and dynamic way of life, that of the New yishuv. This new yishuv established the first industrial enterprises and introduced cultural activities and the use of Hebrew as the language of daily life. The foundations of the State of Israel, many years in the future, were thus laid.

    As early as 1898, at the Second Zionist Congress in Basle, Zionists recognized the importance of settling the Land for national revival. In time they founded the Jewish National Fund to purchase land for the Jewish people and to set up villages.



    The Jewish National Fund - Keren Kayemet L'Israel - the land purchase and development fund of the Zionist Organization, was founded at the Fifth Zionist Congress in December 1901. It was resolved that "The JNF shall be the eternal possession of the Jewish people. Its funds shall not be used except for the purchase of lands..." In the early years, the JNF acquired tracts of lands with funds raised from Jews abroad, in the Galilee, in Judea and near Lake Kinneret. The first large area acquired in 1921, in the Jezreel Valley, increased the JNF's holdings to nearly 15,000 acres (60,000 dunams). Jewish-owned land and settlements rapidly increased, despite legal restrictions imposed by the British administration. JNF leasehold contracts run for 49 years and can be prolonged by the lessee or his heirs for as long as they serve the purpose specified.

    With the founding of the State of Israel (1948), the emphasis of JNF activity shifted from land purchase to land improvement and development as well as afforestation. Swamps were drained, hills were readied for agriculture and settlement by stone-clearing and terracing, and new areas for farming were won in the Negev. By the 1990s, the JNF had planted over 200 million trees in forests and woods covering some 300,000 acres (120,000 hectares). It had developed parks and recreation sites, prepared infrastructure for new settlements, carried out water-conservation projects and taken part in environmental efforts.

    In 1909, Degania, the first kibbutz, was founded on the shores of Lake Kinneret, followed by many more kibbutzim. Nahalal, the first moshav, was established in 1921, in the Jezreel Valley.




















    A "stockade and watchtower" settlement Other newcomers settled in the towns and cities. In 1909, the first houses of Tel Aviv, the first modern all-Jewish city, were built. Named after the Hebrew translation of Theodor Herzl's book "Old-New Land", which envisioned a new Jewish community in the Land, it began as a suburb of Jaffa and rapidly became the commercial, financial and cultural center of Jewish life.

    The Arab riots of 1936-39 - in addition to restrictions on purchase of land, imposed by the British administration - inspired the "Stockade and Watchtower" method of establishing new settlements. Convoys of hundreds of volunteers, prefabricated huts and fortifications would arrive at the designated site at daybreak. By nightfall the settlement was complete, surrounded by a protective fence and dominated by a watchtower from which to scan the surrounding area for signs of hostility. Between 1936 and 1947, over one hundred settlements were established in this manner.

    Other settlements were established during and after World War II throughout the country and especially in the northern Negev. They were based on diversified farming: fruit orchards, field crops, livestock and citrus groves. Industries were established, at first to process agricultural products; roads and electric power plants were built; the mineral potential of the Dead Sea was tapped. In the cities, a Hebrew press and Hebrew radio programs functioned and literature, art, music and dance - with a flavor unique to the Jewish community in the Land - developed.

    At the beginning of the century, Jewish villages numbered 22; at independence (1948) 277 Jewish villages, moshavot, kibbutzim and moshavim dotted the countryside. The Jewish community - 650,000-strong - was a well-organized community with representative national institutions - the foundation upon which Jewish statehood was renewed in the Land of Israel.

    A unique product of Jewish national revival are the kvutza and kibbutz, forms of voluntary, mainly agricultural, collective communities. Here equal value in placed on all types of work and the community is responsible for the needs of its members. Inspired by the idea of social justice as an integral part of the effort to resettle their homeland, young pioneers established the first kvutza, Degania. At first kvutza denoted a smaller group and kibbutz a larger community; in time the distinction disappeared and these settlements became known as kibbutzim. The kibbutzim, whose number grew to 11 by 1914 and 29 by 1918, played an important part in the expansion of the map of Jewish settlement in the years before the establishment of the State. Perhaps more importantly, their role in safeguarding the growing Jewish community was vital.

    Since its inception, the kibbutz movement has contributed far more to the development of the country than its size warrants. Today, their part in the country's production - 33 percent of farm produce and 7.6 percent of manufactured goods - is proportionately much greater than their share of the population - some 2.2 percent living in 267 kibbutzim.




    The moshav is a rural village combining some of the features of both cooperative and private farming. Moshavim came into being with the aim of providing more scope for individual initiative and independent management than the kibbutz. In the moshav, each family maintains its own farm and household, while purchasing and marketing are cooperatively operated. A commitment is made by moshav members to provide mutual aid within the community. In the 1950s former merchants and shopkeepers from the urban ghettoes of Eastern Europe and Arab countries, who arrived in the country en masse, found themselves suited to the family structure of the moshavim. They formed many moshavim, with the aid of veteran moshav members.

    Some moshavim are organized on a more collective basis, with work and allowances distributed on a collective basis, while the family still functions as the basic unit. These settlements are called moshavim shitufi'im.

    In the mid-1950s, regional planning envisioned a tri-level model of settlement: agricultural settlements surrounding a central settlement where schools, clinics and cultural and service facilities are located; these centers, in turn, surround a development town - where shopping facilities, banks, emergency hospitals and much more are located. This model was first implemented in the Lachish region, and has been duplicated, with some alterations, elsewhere in the country.


    After the 1967 Six-Day War, the areas of Judea, Samaria and Gaza, as well as the Sinai peninsula, came under Israeli control. In the 1970s, a group called Gush Emunim dedicated itself to the establishment of Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria, the heartland of the biblical Land of Israel and the places where events recounted in the Bible took place. After a protracted struggle, the government finally permitted settlement in these areas, until then populated solely by Arabs, and by the mid-1990s some 150,000 Jews lived in Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    There wasn't a war until the goddamn European immigrants showed up in 1947.

    Who in the hell decides that the goddamn immigrants from Europe and Russia are more deserving of the land than the people that had been living there for countless generations?

    It is really pathetic to see Americans take the side of the oppressors in this conflict.

    First of all we need to stay out of taking sides in a conflict that nothing to do with our own security.

    Second of all from a moral standpoint we should not support a filthy brutal apartheid government that has been killing the Palestinian people and taking land from for the last 60 years.

    What in the hell is the matter with us? Have we lost our moral bearing?

    Not only do we support a country that carried out a brutal attack against our military but we support a country that oppresses people. Goddamn, we are stupid, aren't we?
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