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  1. #1 President Obama was 100% wrong today when he commented on Canada's health care system 
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    Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Aug-14-09 10:04 PM
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    President Obama was 100% wrong today when he commented on Canada's health care system.

    What has President Obama been reading or who has he been listening to regarding Canada's single payer system?

    During the Montana town hall meeting a person asked the following question:

    Q I was laid off in January. I am currently uninsured. My two children have Medicaid right now. And my question is, without going into too much detail, can you tell us what you -- if you have kind of looked at Canada, England's system, and sort of -- can you pick and choose from those systems that work, that we see there's some success rate and apply that to what you're trying to push through right now?

    Early in response to her question President Obama said:

    ".... most other countries have some form of single-payer system. There are differences -- Canada and England have more of what's called -- what people I guess would call a socialized system, in the sense that government owns the hospitals, directly hires doctors -- but there are a whole bunch of countries like the Netherlands where what they do is, it's a single-payer system only in the sense that government pays the bill, but it's all private folks out there -- private doctors, private facilities. So there are a bunch of different ways of doing it."


    The Canadian government has a socialist health care system where sick people go to government owned hospitals and doctors hired by the government??!!!

    That's absolutely false and I'm shocked that President Obama didn't know that!

    President Obama needs to do some independent research on the Canadian health care system and not rely on lobbyists from the private insurance industry, big PHARMA and the health care industry for his information. They have clouded his mind with their lying anti-single payer propaganda!

    To find out the truth about the Canadian single payer system President Obama he should read this and other articles that tell the truth about the Canadian single payer system. If he does that, he won't repeat the lying anti-Canadian propaganda spread by health care industry lobbyists.

    Debunking Canadian health care myths
    By Rhonda Hackett
    Denver Post
    June 7, 2009

    Myth: Canada is a socialized health care system in which the government runs hospitals and where doctors work for the government.

    Princeton University health economist Uwe Reinhardt says single-payer systems are not "socialized medicine" but "social insurance" systems because doctors work in the private sector while their pay comes from a public source. Most physicians in Canada are self-employed. They are not employees of the government nor are they accountable to the government. Doctors are accountable to their patients only. More than 90 percent of physicians in Canada are paid on a fee-for-service basis. Claims are submitted to a single provincial health care plan for reimbursement, whereas in the U.S., claims are submitted to a multitude of insurance providers. Moreover, Canadian hospitals are controlled by private boards and/or regional health authorities rather than being part of or run by the government.

    http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_12523427
    I'm not shocked, and I'll bet a large percentage of the US population isn't shocked that Obama doesn't know what he's talking about.

    Obama just makes things up as he goes along.
    Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Aug-14-09 10:06 PM
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    1. I'm surprised to read this. That's not how it works at all in Canada. nt
    Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Aug-14-09 10:14 PM
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    5. President Obama needs to correct his mistake quickly.


    Perhaps he was just tired and misspoke.

    In any case, he needs to correct this as soon as possible.
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    8. Curious: What is the rush to correct it?

    I'm Canadian and although i do want it corrected i dont see this as somehow damaging his reform plans since the country has no intentions of going single payer at all. Sure it makes us look bad but Meh(!), Americans have been slamming us for years now, some of it can be hilarious on those tv comedy hours

    His correcting it in ways might hurt him since it may confuse the public more...easier to just group all of us other countries together and be done with it. If i were president i would do the same and move on with my agenda.

    Honestly, the more you learn about American living and history the mroe you see that single-payer "socialized medicine/insurance" is something that cant happen over night. America is center-right with a severe case of corruption. Better to move in baby steps towards socialized single-payer than an outright BAM!

    I am still sticking with a strong public ooption is the best choice for america. It is inefficient relative to single-payer but it is the best choice that has a possible chance of passing...single-payer had no shot.
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    I bet those un-American mob type old farts know more about what is in the bill than the Magic Negro does.
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    I think it may be an intentional mistake. Obama does want a single-payer system like Canada and England, but he also knows there is massive opposition in the US to copying their socialized healthcare systems. So he is changing the definition of things here, trying to say "Oh no, we aren't going to copy Canada and England, what THEY have is government-run socialized medicine! We've just going to have a social insurance system! So, nothing at all like Canada or England and their bad ol' socialism, nu-uh!" In fact he is copying them, but he's fooled people into thinking he hasn't...
    The problem in the next four years will be not just that the president of the United States serially does not tell the truth. Instead, the real crisis in our brave new relativist world will be that those who demonstrate that he is untruthful will themselves be accused of lying. - Victor Davis Hanson
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    We have what the Canadians do and I am telling you NOW...it is falling apart at the seams.

    Hospital closures, bed closures, not enough nurses, waiting lists a mile long, patients LITERALLY being shunted from hospital to hospital...I had thyroid cancer and was on a one month waiting list, the day before the op they called to cancel and I freaked.

    My surgeon intervened and the date was reinstated...then they sent me home too soon and I wound up with a massive wound infection that came close to putting me into ICU.

    That's with 21 MILLION people. I am telling you now that the system he proposes for 300 MILLION will be a complete disaster.

    A Department of Human Services report predicts a massive shortfall of nurses by 2011-12
    • Similarly, the median waiting time for patients who were admitted from waiting lists increased from 27 days in 2001-02 to 32 days in 2005-06.
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