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08-30-2009, 01:53 AM
Last edited by The Night Owl; 08-30-2009 at 02:02 AM.Ubi Dubium Ibi Libertas
08-30-2009, 09:27 AM
Also, since time begin with the big bang and seems to be a property of this Universe then there was no before. Time would have to pre-date the creation and so far there is no evidence whether empirical or mathematical that allows for this. It doesn't specfically rule it out but more study needs to be done.
That the Universe is under no obligation to make sense is a truism and in fact, because so much of it does make sense and does so in a manner that is understandable by humans is a pro-God argument. The argument goes that he created us with the ability to understand creation and thus to some degree recognize that there is a creator. Paul speaks of this in Romans :
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
This is one of the major philosophical questions; why does the universe make since and why should be be able to make sense of it. Paul provides one possible answer and to believers it is the only answer that makes sense.“I have learned now that while those who speak about one's miseries usually hurt, those who keep silence hurt more.”
God judged it better to bring good out of evil than to suffer no evil to exist.
St. Augustine of Hippo
08-30-2009, 02:28 PMUbi Dubium Ibi Libertas
08-30-2009, 07:03 PM
The evidence for the Big Bang comes from many pieces of observational data that are consistent with the Big Bang. None of these prove the Big Bang, since scientific theories are not proven.
And NASA is saying much the same.
Last edited by djones520; 08-30-2009 at 07:08 PM.
08-30-2009, 11:19 PM
A good article on how a theory can be both theory and fact...
Last edited by The Night Owl; 08-30-2009 at 11:34 PM.Ubi Dubium Ibi Libertas
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