REL: Evidence of global flood? Debate.

[wilbur]

Con't from other thread, after ginger laid down the law (again;):

There is enough water on earth. Much of it is now underground.

Where is this underground repository of water? Has anyone found it?

The configuration of fossils definitely supports mass extinction. The biggest question is what caused the mass extinction. As many of the smaller organisms exist in oceans, they were buried where they lived. Those that floated up did not become fossils.

How is anything buried "where it lives" in waters turbulent and violent enough to create the strata?

There is no reason to expect that there were enough humans on earth for many to fossilize, and of the few that may have, they haven't been found. Chances are excellent that they weren't running around with a herd of dinosaurs so didn't happen to die in the same place. If any were fossilized, we haven't excavated that/those places yet.

Why wouldn't at least a few be contained in later strata?

The strata may seem to organize in some way, but the strata seldom, if ever, line up correctly

You ever been to the grand canyon? We know exactly why strata would shift and change. A particularly big reason is the same reason California shakes around every so often. No flood has ever produced distinct layers of rock like granite and limestone. How are heavier, denser layers of sediment going to be deposited on top of lighter sediment in a flood?

and there are constant discoveries of one creature or another in a much older strata causing constant shifts of when a certain creature "evolved."

Constant? I'm sure there are a few. If a flood had occurred these types of anomalies would be the norm.

I'm sure some of the fossils were formed by forces other than the flood, also.
We've also seen how rapidly a volcano can build strata, and how quickly that new "rock" can be cut into canyons in Washington state, so it obviously does not always take millions of years to form layers.

Relatively fragile volcanic strata is a far cry from limestone.

[Sonnabend]

Where is this underground repository of water? Has anyone found it?

Ever hear of groundwater, dipstick?

Underground lakes in Antarctica?

Underground lakes all over the world?

[noonwitch]

After reading this, I'm now hearing the Talking Heads singing "Once In A Lifetime".

[LogansPapa]

Ever hear of groundwater, dipstick?

Underground lakes in Antarctica?

Underground lakes all over the world?

Enough water to cover a mountain 29,000 feet above normal sea level?

[wilbur]

Ever hear of groundwater, dipstick?

Underground lakes in Antarctica?

Underground lakes all over the world?

Well, no shit sherlock.

Problem is, this is obviously not enough water to cover all the land on the earth, or we would be underwater right now.

[LogansPapa]

And Sonnabend, how much pressure would a column, one foot square, weigh - if it were 29,000 feet high/deep? Do you have any concept what the water pressure is at the bottom of the Mariana Trench? Try 8 tons per square inch.

[The Night Owl]

Ever hear of groundwater, dipstick?

Underground lakes in Antarctica?

Underground lakes all over the world?

No dice. If the quantity of water required for a global flood were underground, it would turn the continents into quicksand.

[LibraryLady]

I know better than to get on these religion threads -I am unarmed...

But:. .

The Truth Behind Noah's Flood

In "Into the Deep," underwater explorer Bob Ballard shares with Alan stories of his incredible oceanic adventures. Renowned for finding the wreck of the Titanic and discovering hydrothermal vents, Ballard is also interested in solving the mystery of Noah's flood. Was this great biblical cataclysm in fact a real event that we can find traces of today? Ballard has led expeditions to the Black Sea searching for direct evidence of an ancient flood.

Early Clues

The story of Noah and the great flood is one that so permeates our culture that generations of geologists have devoted their lives to looking for evidence of a prehistoric worldwide flood. But it was not until the 1990's that geologists William Ryan and Walter Pitman gathered clues pointing to an actual ancient flood in the Middle East about 7,500 years ago. Sediment core-samples the scientists took from the bottom of the Black Sea revealed sections of once-dry, sun-baked land.

These sediments were then covered by sections of uniform mud, strongly suggesting that these plains underwent a long-ago influx of saltwater. Though not worldwide, this cataclysmic event occurred at what could have been a locus of human activity at the time.

In their 1998 book, Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries about the Event that Changed History, Ryan and Pitman suggest the Black Sea was once a much smaller, land-locked freshwater lake, fed by ancient rivers, and surrounded by fertile plains. Neolithic people, Ryan and Pitman suppose, would have flocked to farm these Eden-like plains to farm them while supplementing their diets with the lake's abundant shellfish.

At this time - about 7,500 years ago - the global climate was still rapidly warming following the last Ice Age, causing the seas to rise. Ryan and Pitman hypothesize that, when sea levels rose beyond a critical point, the Mediterranean Sea overflowed, deluging the Black Sea basin with salty water and destroying the fertile plains around the once-shallow freshwater lake.

Any people living on those plains at the time would have witnessed what must have seemed like the wrath of an angry god. Based on the still northern flowing undercurrents of what we call the Bosporus Straits, Ryan and Pitman estimate the water rushed northward through this channel with force many times greater than Niagara Falls. As the waters rose about six inches per day, human settlements would have been washed away or under hundreds of feet of water within a year or so. Traumatized refugees from the flood must have told their story to shocked listeners. Is this the story so many of us still tell our children today?

Inspired by Ryan and Pitman's work, Bob Ballard and an international team of specialized scientists and engineers took a small fleet of ships and remotely operated vehicles (ROV's) into the Black Sea seeking evidence of human habitation before the flood.
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Much, much more, maps and pictures galore

[wilbur]

I know better than to get on these religion threads -I am unarmed...

But:. .

The Truth Behind Noah's Flood



Early Clues

The story of Noah and the great flood is one that so permeates our culture that generations of geologists have devoted their lives to looking for evidence of a prehistoric worldwide flood. But it was not until the 1990's that geologists William Ryan and Walter Pitman gathered clues pointing to an actual ancient flood in the Middle East about 7,500 years ago. Sediment core-samples the scientists took from the bottom of the Black Sea revealed sections of once-dry, sun-baked land.

These sediments were then covered by sections of uniform mud, strongly suggesting that these plains underwent a long-ago influx of saltwater. Though not worldwide, this cataclysmic event occurred at what could have been a locus of human activity at the time.

In their 1998 book, Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries about the Event that Changed History, Ryan and Pitman suggest the Black Sea was once a much smaller, land-locked freshwater lake, fed by ancient rivers, and surrounded by fertile plains. Neolithic people, Ryan and Pitman suppose, would have flocked to farm these Eden-like plains to farm them while supplementing their diets with the lake's abundant shellfish.

At this time - about 7,500 years ago - the global climate was still rapidly warming following the last Ice Age, causing the seas to rise. Ryan and Pitman hypothesize that, when sea levels rose beyond a critical point, the Mediterranean Sea overflowed, deluging the Black Sea basin with salty water and destroying the fertile plains around the once-shallow freshwater lake.

Any people living on those plains at the time would have witnessed what must have seemed like the wrath of an angry god. Based on the still northern flowing undercurrents of what we call the Bosporus Straits, Ryan and Pitman estimate the water rushed northward through this channel with force many times greater than Niagara Falls. As the waters rose about six inches per day, human settlements would have been washed away or under hundreds of feet of water within a year or so. Traumatized refugees from the flood must have told their story to shocked listeners. Is this the story so many of us still tell our children today?

Inspired by Ryan and Pitman's work, Bob Ballard and an international team of specialized scientists and engineers took a small fleet of ships and remotely operated vehicles (ROV's) into the Black Sea seeking evidence of human habitation before the flood.
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Much, much more, maps and pictures galore

Thats really interesting, thanks.

[Molon Labe]

I find it interesting that just about every known culture on earth has one ancient story or another about a great flood covering the earth.