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  1. #1 Liberal health care lies #1,345,987 & 1,345,988 and more! 
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    The left has spent considerable time demonizing private industry and driving them either out of the country or out of business entirely (then of course they blame Republicans for losses of jobs). In the past it was the steel industry, the textile industry, the mining industry, the auto industry etc (the list of lost industries due to liberal harassment is too long to list). The medical insurance industry is just their current victim.
    They look to government as the solution to every possible issue that they perceive as being unfair or wrong - ignoring the fact that the un-fairest and most egregious perpetrator of wrongdoings is the government itself.
    Currently they are demonizing private insurers by exaggerating instances of claims denial and foisting the "victims" into the public spotlight.
    The AMA - a very visible SUPPORTER of the President's health insurance goals has been front and center recently. The President has gone out of its way to point to their support and trying to imply that because the AMA supports his plans, most doctors do also. President Obama even went so far as to bring a group of doctors to the White House for a photo-op that "proved" doctors supported his plan.
    Now it turns out that the AMA goofed up and did not delay their annual report on how the insurance industry has performed.
    You see, it shows that the government sponsored MODEL of efficiency and virtue they want to FORCE on the rest of us, is the WORST of the major insurers when it comes to denying coverage! In fact, it denies nearly TRIPLE the percent of claims that the oft-cited evil private company, United Health Care. Additionally, it's denial rate is 76% HIGHER than the average for the top private insurers.

    Here is their report:

    http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upl...eport-card.pdf (page 5)



    http://www.fundmasteryblog.com/2009/...urance-claims/

    The Left wants us to believe that PRIVATE industry is evil and the Government is the benevolent player in this game, yet if the left had their way, using the estimated total number of insurance claims figure of 15,000,000 and comparing the Medicare rejection rate to United Health Care's rate, this would mean that 1,027,500 claims would be rejected instead of only 402,000!!! Now THAT is an impressive change Liberals!!! Some REAL change you apparently believe in.
    Now, of course the left wing blogs are furiously trying to discredit this report by cherry picking data from one or two states and only from partial years and using data from illegitimate sources (the Daily KOS is one of these blogs). They forget that the AMA has SUPPORTED Obama's efforts and that this report comes out year after year and EVERY year it shows the same basic thing - Medicare is the WORST of the major insurers when it comes to denying claims.
    PERIOD.
    The other lie is that doctors support this change. A recent survey that found:

    "Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...aspx?id=506199

    45% of doctors would consider QUITTING if Obamacare is adopted!!!!
    Now liberals, tell me again there won't be serious shortages in health services!!
    All of this to cover virtually no additional people (the Democrat plan with the HIGHEST estimated coverage would cover fewer than 95% of all people) yet would inevitably destroy an industry that performs FAR better than the models the Democrats are trying to copy.
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    Wow...excellent post.
    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talismen View Post
    Wow...excellent post.
    Thanks!
    Just fighting the liberal liars.
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    I think I am going to sticky this and invite all to post the lies that the left is trying to pass off as fact.
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    Great Post....I am stealing it to post on other forums and spread it around the internet....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda View Post
    Great Post....I am stealing it to post on other forums and spread it around the internet....

    PLEASE do that. But link back here. It is part of an article I am writing for potential publishing.
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    Great post, I am also going to post elsewhere and link it back here.
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    In anyone tracking far-right spin?:(
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    In anyone tracking far-right spin?:(
    We don't spin! Pay attention Hazle!
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    http://intershame.com/on/Patrick_Tuo...overnment_com/
    I found the above article concerning these denial stats. But this guy dives deeper into the details and finds that only .69% of medicare selectively denies claims compared to 1.18% for private companies.

    He sums it up by saying: "As you can see, the summary numbers being used to discredit the notion of a public option are far from a damnation of the government's ability to administrate health care. If fact, an analysis of the raw data helps show that Medicare actually practices far less selective exemptions than the private insurance industry does. And really, selective exemptions are the primary villain in this story, not denials rates. And the granddaddy of all selective exemptions is rescission."

    You can read the details at the link provided. Complicated stuff. Only starts to clear things up. I'm still digesting the details and still a bit confused.
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