Obama...a neocon...What I do care about is this neocon, war-mongering rhetoric, that is turning the entire planet against us and destroying our economy and American heritage.
Yes, I have heard of the school of America. I've met some of the students and their instructors first hand. I didn't get it from some liberal think tank of website. I MET THEM. Have you? Doubt it. They would have kicked your panty- waist butt on the spot. Now give us one of your liberal assertions at a time and we'll see what happens. Bring it on lib boy.
http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagmc205.phpYes, I read it. It doesn't give too many details or provide any evidence that the claims made in the article, are valid. It reminds me of all the bullshit propaganda leading up to the Iraq war. Simply talking shit about another country, then expecting people to believe it at face value, doesn't cut it, with me. I want proof! A big problem in this country are dumbass American's, like those tea baggers, who don't take the time to be well informed on the issues, and consequently, do not question government policy when it comes to something as important as going to war.
The government lied about Iraq, their lying to us now about Afghanistan and this stuff about Cuba may be lies as well. It also could be true. Or a combination of both. At this point, I can't say one way or the other. I need to do a little research first before drawing any conclusions whether Cuba is some big god-damn threat. Right now, we're the only country going around attacking sovereign nations, in violation of international law. That bothers me a lot more than Cuba. So I'm certainly not going to entertain the topic of this thread as a valid one, unless someone pony's up some specific evidence, instead of that op-ed in the link.
Gee, I don't know, that fact that he hates the US so much he's willing to sponsor anything that goes against capitalism.And what makes Chavez a terrorist? His big mouth?
Maybe he's not looking at Islamic terrorism (although I wouldn't rule it out), but it's still terrorism regardless.
Right, because we sent out to break up the organizations that were responsible for 9/11, we're somehow terrorists.It's not a "belief", it's a fact!
I've found quite a bit of posts on DU that support Chavez and a lot of liberals are sympathetic to his cause of abolishing capitalism (even though his fat ass is supported by oil profits). It's the same thing with their rabid support of the terrorist Che Guevara.Who's supporting dictators and communists?
Or is namecalling your way to avoid debating the issue?
Before I begin, I want to thank you for providing citations to your claims. Which, if nothing else, shifts the burden of proof onto me to prove my objections (to your claims) have merit.
Now, my comments on your first link...
Just because someone opposes this phony GWOT, doesn’t make them a terrorist sponsor. I don’t support terrorism of any kind, by anyone, or any government and I think this war on terror is a bunch of bullshit. Terror is a tactic in war. It is not an enemy. They didn’t call WWII, “War on Blitzkreig”.swirling_vortex link:
Although Cuba signed and ratified all 12 international counter terrorism conventions in 2001, it has remained opposed to the US-led Coalition prosecuting the war in global terrorism and has been actively critical of many associated US policies and actions.
If that’s true, then he’s wasting a lot of money, because we don’t need any help following false leads, we can handle that all by ourselves. Can anyone say, “Curveball?”swirling_vortex link:
On repeated occasions, for example, Cuba sent agents to US missions around the world who provided false leads designed to subvert the post September 11 investigation.
Fugitives are not terrorists, they’re fugitives.swirling_vortex link:
In 2002, Cuba continued to host several terrorists and US fugitives.
And as far as hosting terrorists, we’re doing the same thing. Do you know who Luis Posada Carriles is?
He has been tied to the bombing of a Cubana Airlines flight that killed 73 people. And we’re refusing to allow extradition to Venezuela by holding him on minor immigration charges.
That’s not terrorism, it’s civil war in someone else’s country.swirling_vortex link:
Cuba permitted up to 20 Basque Fatherland and Liberty members to reside in Cuba and provided safeheaven and support to members of the Colombian Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia-FARC- and National Liberation Army-ELN groups.
An accused Irish Republican Army-IRA- weapons expert and longtime resident of Cuba went on trial in Colombia in 2002. He had been caught a year earlier in Colombia with two other IRA members and detained for training the FARC in advanced use of explosives.
That’s not proof of sponsoring terrorism, it could just be granting asylum. We do the same thing for Cuban’s fleeing Castro’s government. I think we even have a law that says if their feet touch US soil, they are automatically granted asylum.swirling_vortex link:
Some US fugitives continued to live on the island.
We’re no one to denounce other country’s incarcerations. We lock up more people than any nation on earth.swirling_vortex link:
Castro allowed the Soviet Union in 1962 to install atomic warhead missiles in Cuba. Once discovered, he tried to force the Soviet Union to launch a surprising missile attack against the United States.
Castro has been 44 years in power in Cuba. A tyrant, an oppressor, who has imprisoned over 150,000 persons and executed above 16,000.
I read the rest of your link do not feel commercial, medical and strategic military agreements with Iran and Cuba, constitutes terrorism, either. However, if they do attack us, that is a completely different thing. Like in the case with Iran. If a country is smart enough to be able to build a nuclear weapon, they are also smart enough to know that if they use that weapon, their country will glow in the dark. I'm pretty confident we can guarantee that.
But the your link did end with something I take a lot of issue with......which by the way, has nothing to do with Cuba, but everything to do with who we are as American’s. One of our core beliefs (or American values) is for the citizens of a nation to have the right of self-determination. Although Castro was not democratically elected, Chavez was. And we have no right whatsoever, telling other country’s who they can (and cannot have) as their leaders.swirling_vortex link:
Shouldn't the Cuban government be next in line to be abolished?
We didn't count on the one million Venezuelan's taking to the streets in protest of the coup.On April 12, 2002, a sector of the military backed by the entire big business elite and the corrupt trade union bureaucracy arrested Chavez and seized power. Immediately Ambassador Shapiro backed by the Bush White House and far right Spanish Prime Minister Aznar, congratulated the self-appointed new president Carmona – head of the business confederation Fedecameras and moved to recognize the illicit regime.
…which means that when we attack a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, as in the case with Iraq, that’s not going after organizations responsible for 9/11.Terrorism:
the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ...
And when we go into Afghanistan and topple the democratically elected government of that country, that did not attack us on 9/11, then your argument doesn’t hold water. I’m no fan, of the Taliban, but they did offer to turn UBL over to the US, but Bush refused to cut a deal.
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