08-03-2008, 08:55 PMYes, it's probably very easy to fall for the temptation of seeking government grants -- I still maintain that its immoral to have such a system in place at all however. If you have a passion for your art, you're able to work on it throughout most of the 8-10 hours of the day that you aren't working to support yourself, or sleeping. If you fail to find the energy for your so-called passion, you're probably not so passionate about it after all. Success isn't handed to you on a silver platter -- it takes hard work, sacrifice and an iron will.
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I agree that the present day situation of big government and a mixed economy makes it near impossible to succeed as an Objectivist puritan such as Howard Roark. As I pointed out above though, he's more like an abstract personification of the highest ideals of Objectivism. Objectivist characters in Atlas Shrugged, for example, did manage to work "in the system" until it got too absurd. Just as you don't need to be Jesus in order to be a Christian, you don't need to be Howard Roark in order to be an Objectivist -- they serve as moral ideals.
And yes, I'm still waiting for someone to rival Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. :)
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08-06-2008, 03:11 PM
Fred Thompson's pure, unadulterated conservative views were, in fact, NOT selling. It was because of the compromises added by John McCain that the politics could sell at all.
People like Peter Keating would, much like the welfare state, be destroyed by their own impotense if not for the men of integrity -- such as Howard Roark.
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08-06-2008, 03:39 PM
2. Ayn Rand "believed in" (i.e. recognized) self-reliance. I don't see any arguments to contest this in your post, and I sincerely doubt they exist.
3. Individualists blame the collectivists of faith and force who vote away their individual freedom, yes. They are the ones responsible for the injustice. You are not a socialist for recognizing this.
In a socialist/fascist community, people need to be "persuaded". In a capitalist society, people are free to learn from their own mistakes -- i.e. they are taught self-reliance through their own individual experiences.
By "Objectivist" I primarily think of the first-hander characters in Ayn Rand's novels, of the staff at the Institute, and of the students who have completed the four-year-long graduate program. I consider myself a "student of Objectivism", and the same would doubtlessly go for the person in your example.
P.S. I won't respond in such great length any longer -- it takes too much time, and I doubt there's much more to say about these particular issues on my part. If you respond, please do so briefly with very concrete issues. Thanks. :)
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